OS4.1 installed on my 4000/csppc/mediator

[mechy]

Woo hoo!

Just installed os4.1 on my A4000 in a mediator tower tonight. typing this on OWB and just had to tell....someone!

Surprisingly after i set up the cf's with sfs and formatted them,it was just a matter of booting the install floppy/cdrom which worked on the radeon as is,i didnt have to do anything other than set the res in sys:prefs/screenmode to what i wanted. no mediator driver sillyness to install like under 3.9.
other than that i started the tcp/ip install and picked the rtl8029 driver and quieried the card and it found it,entered my ips/gateway etc manually and i was online.

Most of this stuff works fine and other than the mediator drivers etc its prettyclose to the old os4x install.

I have not mapped any radeon ram to the os,not sure if i will. i will say this,the zoram with 256MB is probabaly a necessity if you do much in OWB.

My Machine Configuration:

A4000 desktop board in the mediator pro tower
Cyberstorm ppc 604e/233 060/60 128MB ram
Zoram board with 256MB that just came in from amigakit(why are these so damn expensive!?)
Sapphire radeon 9250 i got new off ebay for $15..128MB ver.(it works in +5 or 3.3v mediators) my mediator is 5v.
2-32gb kingston pro cf cards adopted to the cyberstorm UWscsi with acard AEC-7720UW scsi/ide adapters.the cf's are the ones i've been running for 5+ yrs.
Deneb usb(havent installed drivers yet!)
rtl8029aas ethernet card(i hate i cant use my 100Mbit card with fastethernet.device!)
SB128
HD floppy
Dvd burner also adopted to the scsichain with the 7720uw.
 
So far everything is running well,i am using 1600x900 in 32bit res on workbench and its pretty nice.
OWB seems to work well,its not blistering fast but no worse than ibrowse speed wise. its nice to have a useable css browser but i already miss ibrowse download manager.

Has anyone got the sata card to work or was that not for the classics??
I havent' installed it yet but its on the list to try tomorrow.

we need a driver for the fastethernet.device..hint hint

if anyone cares,this was the radeon i got off ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160603380919&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_5978wt_911

it worked right out of the box.

I will try and report more on this thread as i get stuff going,i think thats enough for tonight.:rtfm:



 -mech-

[Dandy]

Woo hoo!

Just installed os4.1 on my A4000 in a mediator tower tonight.
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rtl8029aas ethernet card(i hate i cant use my 100Mbit card with fastethernet.device!)
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we need a driver for the fastethernet.device..hint hint
...

Hmmmm - that means that I would have to downgrade from the 100mBit I can use with Os 3.9/WarpOS to 10 mBit with OS 4.1 classic?

I just upgraded my DSL bandwidth to 50 mBit - so I couldn't benefit from this upgrade any longer and would have to get an inferior NIC for OS 4.1 and live with just 10mBit?

Not very encouraging, if you ask me...

EDIT:
Can we expect this to be fixed with a future Update to OS 4.1 classic?

[mechy]

Well,there is the option of using the deneb with a usb dongle. but yes,currently there is only the 10Mbit nic. hopefully we will see some drivers for the 100Mbit one soon.
i agree with you this was the single most annoying thing about 4.1 for me as well going in.

[HammerD]

Hmmmm - that means that I would have to downgrade from the 100mBit I can use with Os 3.9/WarpOS to 10 mBit with OS 4.1 classic?

I just upgraded my DSL bandwidth to 50 mBit - so I couldn't benefit from this upgrade any longer and would have to get an inferior NIC for OS 4.1 and live with just 10mBit?

Not very encouraging, if you ask me...

EDIT:
Can we expect this to be fixed with a future Update to OS 4.1 classic?

What kind of speeds can you get under OS 3.9 with the FastEthernet driver? (on your local network?)

I haven't done any testing lately, but I seem to recall you didn't really gain much speed using the RTL8139 vs. the RTL8029.

Using a USB ethernet adapter connected to the Deneb you can get nearly 1MB/sec on the local network.

[HammerD]

Woo hoo!

Has anyone got the sata card to work or was that not for the classics??
I havent' installed it yet but its on the list to try tomorrow.

 -mech-

I would recommend a Silicon Image 3512 based card.  It works in my A4000 which is nearly same setup as yours.  You'll just have to get a 5V card.  I got a couple cheap ones at a local computer store and they worked.

As for the Sapphire, yes, that's the best card, it works in all types of Mediators, good you found one  The only downside is that it has separate memory banks so AmigaOS 4.1 will only see the first 128MB of a 256MB card.  Anyway 128MB gfx ram should be enough...

Glad you are up and running

[Dandy]

What kind of speeds can you get under OS 3.9 with the FastEthernet driver? (on your local network?)

If you could suggest a measuring tool for the Amiga I could run a test when I'm back home...

I haven't done any testing lately, but I seem to recall you didn't really gain much speed using the RTL8139 vs. the RTL8029.

I used the NIC I have now from the very beginning when I expanded my A4kPPC with a Mediator PCI bus board.
ATM I can't remember the number of the RTL chip - but it is not the one that is supported in OS 4.x classic.

Using a USB ethernet adapter connected to the Deneb you can get nearly 1MB/sec on the local network.

Just one mB/sec?
With DENEB in DMA mode in a Zorro III slot and using USB 2.0 highspeed?

Nah - the difference doesn't seem that big if I copy files across USB devices compared to copying them between my HDs with the 40 mBit/sec of the UW-SCSI host on the CSPPC.

Is there a (classic) Amiga tool to measure USB transfer rates?
My guess would be around 10-15 mBit/sec...

[HammerD]

If you could suggest a measuring tool for the Amiga I could run a test when I'm back home...




I used the NIC I have now from the very beginning when I expanded my A4kPPC with a Mediator PCI bus board.
ATM I can't remember the number of the RTL chip - but it is not the one that is supported in OS 4.x classic.



Just one mB/sec?
With DENEB in DMA mode in a Zorro III slot and using USB 2.0 highspeed?

Nah - the difference doesn't seem that big if I copy files across USB devices compared to copying them between my HDs with the 40 mBit/sec of the UW-SCSI host on the CSPPC.

Is there a (classic) Amiga tool to measure USB transfer rates?
My guess would be around 10-15 mBit/sec...

I can run some tests tonight on my A4000.  I have a dual boot OS 3.9 and AmigaOS 4.1 system.  It has a mediator in it and I can install the RTL 8139 100Mbit network card, test it under OS 3.9, then do the same test with the USB Adapter on the Deneb in PIO and DMA mode, and then again the same test with the RTL 8029 card in both OS 3.9 and 4.1.

It will be interesting to see the speed differences but I don't think they will be that great.

so in summary:

1) Test RTL 8029 10Mbit (OS 3.9)
2) Test RTL 8139 100Mbit (OS 3.9)
3) Test USB Ethernet adapter (OS 3.9) on the Deneb in PIO and DMA modes

And then in AmigaOS 4.1 Classic:

1) Test RTL 8029 10Mbit
2) Test USB Ethernet Adapter on the Deneb in PIO mode.

I don't think there will be much differences in the transfer rates, but I will find out

I will use a local FTP file transfer to get the transfer rate.

[mechy]

I would recommend a Silicon Image 3512 based card.  It works in my A4000 which is nearly same setup as yours.  You'll just have to get a 5V card.  I got a couple cheap ones at a local computer store and they worked.

As for the Sapphire, yes, that's the best card, it works in all types of Mediators, good you found one  The only downside is that it has separate memory banks so AmigaOS 4.1 will only see the first 128MB of a 256MB card.  Anyway 128MB gfx ram should be enough...

Glad you are up and running

Thanks!
  I actually have the SIL3114 card working in mine, its a 4 port card.
I never had a rtl8039,i was using a SMC1211TX card for 100Mbit under my old os3.9 ..
the sapphire i got was a 128MB version.. would of been nice to have a 256MB one,but seems hit and miss from what i read.

btw, any idea how to find the zoram 256MB i've added? doesnt seem to show in the other mem.

mech

[HammerD]

Ok my speed tests are online!

http://www.hd-zone.com/2011/07/ethernet-adapter-speeds-amigaos-3-9-and-amigaos-4-1-classic/

Discuss here or comment on the site.

[HammerD]

Thanks!
  I actually have the SIL3114 card working in mine, its a 4 port card.
I never had a rtl8039,i was using a SMC1211TX card for 100Mbit under my old os3.9 ..
the sapphire i got was a 128MB version.. would of been nice to have a 256MB one,but seems hit and miss from what i read.

btw, any idea how to find the zoram 256MB i've added? doesnt seem to show in the other mem.

mech

Type memstat in a shell.  It should list your ZorRAM.  It is added as swap memory and not normal fast ram.  (We tested that, it was too slow).  Best used as swap memory.  Trust me

There is an entire section of the AmigaOS 4.1 Classic FAQ dedicated to the ZorRAM and swap memory.   I would recommend you give it a read over at the Hyperion Forums:  http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=92