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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2011, 01:48:29 PM »
Quote from: drHirudo;642602

If you are booting into a clean Workbench AmigaOS 3, then it may be very fast, but if you add all the patches, hacks and applications that wouldn't bring even half of the usability of AmigaOS 4 (fully working connected TCP/IP stack, Dock, 32-bit icons, virtual memory, contextal menus, visual prefs, memory protection etc..) it will boot much slower, if booting at all.


Still advertising memory protection on AmigaOS4?
Let's say it again: there's *NO* memory protection on AmigaOS4 (nor AROS, MorphOS).

Both MorphOS and OS4 come with limited protection in some cases, but it's nothing to do with real memory protection. So please stop including it as an AmigaOS4 feature.
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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2011, 01:54:06 PM »
@Piru

I understand Ambient can be replaced by Workbench. So my question is: Can I make MorphOS a kind of "Amithlon clone" by booting automatically into an AmigaOS 3.9 enviroment and having Warp3d + WarpOS (MOS features) support built-in?

If positive, how much time would it take to boot this way?

Is difficult to achieve this "Ambientless" hack?
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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2011, 01:54:46 PM »
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Still advertising memory protection on AmigaOS4?
Let's say it again: there's *NO* memory protection on AmigaOS4 (nor AROS, MorphOS).

Both MorphOS and OS4 come with limited protection in some cases, but it's nothing to do with real memory protection. So please stop including it as an AmigaOS4 feature.
I had limited memory protection in AmigaOS 3, thanks to MuForce. It helped me a lot and saved me crashes and redoing unsaved work. The AmigaOS 4 partial memory protection is much better than the hacks and patches of AmigaOS 3, bringing half the functionality of AmigaOS 4 memory protection.
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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2011, 02:04:09 PM »
I have MOS on a Mac Mini, it's quite nice.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2011, 02:06:29 PM by persia »
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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2011, 02:11:06 PM »
"...Also you can keep your classics while moving forward!"

Yes that's why I haven't choosen a "New" Amiga OS.  Because they are not new and one "could" argue not really Amiga.  I do old things on my old Amigas and new things on a platform that can do new things.
Like : recode HD video, multi track high res audio recording, burn and watch Blueray DVDs. Browse ALL web sites quickly, watching all types of content and HD, and play contemporary games with widescreen high resolution...etc etc etc.  That's why I will stick to 3.1-3.9 on Amiga, and a well known current OS and platform for the new stuff.
I only have time and room for one hobby OS.
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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2011, 02:13:42 PM »
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@Piru

I understand Ambient can be replaced by Workbench. So my question is: Can I make MorphOS a kind of "Amithlon clone" by booting automatically into an AmigaOS 3.9 enviroment and having Warp3d + WarpOS (MOS features) support built-in?

If positive, how much time would it take to boot this way?

Is difficult to achieve this "Ambientless" hack?


i don't know if this "hack" is still valid for MorphOS 2.x but you can try:

http://aminet.net/package/docs/help/AmigaWBOnPegasos
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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2011, 02:19:09 PM »
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The original question was WHY NOT MORPHOS?       


Because the doc wants to defend OS4 some more.
Why not leave the OS3 users alone unless they're interested in an upgrade?
Then they can examine each option and pick the one that's right for them.
Just because each of us carries a specific bias based on our own choices, that doesn't mean that our choice is necessarily the right one  for someone else.
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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2011, 02:28:46 PM »
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Because the doc wants to defend OS4 some more.

That was not my intention. I did not want OS4 in this thread at all, but it was brought by the usual suspects (the haters). The question is why not MOS, instead of AmigaOS 3? I already gave explanation why I moved from AmigaOS 3 to something resembling more modern OS. (AmigaOS 4 in my case).

P.S. I am tired with all the crap thrown by MOS supporters. MOS runs on restricted hardware of limited availability. If it have more hardware options than AmigaOS 4 it does not make MOS having more options than it have. Currently MOS does not run on most of the models Macs.
A simple fast google search of buy mac, brings the following:
buy mac. MorphOS is not available on any of the listed models there. While someone may jump and say - look there is G5 Mac, it ruuuuuuns on it, then he is a moron and MorphOS lover, because it is not available for public release.

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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2011, 02:33:57 PM »
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i don't know if this "hack" is still valid for MorphOS 2.x but you can try:

http://aminet.net/package/docs/help/AmigaWBOnPegasos

Thank you for the link.

It seems it is a clumsy solution, from what I read over there. Anyway, it is too old to be of any use now, as it is MOS 1.4 related :(

Perhaps it is a bit more elegant now?
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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2011, 02:53:41 PM »
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That was not my intention. I did not want OS4 in this thread at all, but it was brought by the usual suspects (the haters). The question is why not MOS, instead of AmigaOS 3? I already gave explanation why I moved from AmigaOS 3 to something resembling more modern OS. (AmigaOS 4 in my case).

P.S. I am tired with all the crap thrown by MOS supporters. MOS runs on restricted hardware of limited availability. If it have more hardware options than AmigaOS 4 it does not make MOS having more options than it have. Currently MOS does not run on most of the models Macs.
A simple fast google search of buy mac, brings the following:
buy mac. MorphOS is not available on any of the listed models there. While someone may jump and say - look there is G5 Mac, it ruuuuuuns on it, then he is a moron and MorphOS lover, because it is not available for public release.

P.P.S. Buy Amiga. First result - Minimig, Amiga 1200, Sam460 distributor. Enough said.

"Haters"? Interesting concept, but I don't hate OS4.
And the specific Mac models supported by MOS are in no way limited in their availability.
You have an opinion. You are entitled to it. But why further this entrenchment and alienation?
We have more in common then any two other OS'.
So if either is that bad, then how could you justify the other?
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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2011, 03:00:12 PM »
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"Haters"? Interesting concepts, but I don't hate OS4.
And the specific Mac models supported by MOS are in no way limited in their availability.

They are limited in availability. I can not find any of these specific Mac models in my area. While ebay is an option and I already have pretty good positive feedback by purchasing products, I am not interested in paying expensive shipping from UK or USA. And I must wait as well. The nearest Carrefour stocks Macs but none of them is supported by MOS.

See, I can answer MOS related questions, without bringing AmigaOS 4 to it. Why other people need to bring it is beyond any explanation other than they are haters.
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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2011, 03:15:12 PM »
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They are limited in availability. I can not find any of these specific Mac models in my area. While ebay is an option and I already have pretty good positive feedback by purchasing products, I am not interested in paying expensive shipping from UK or USA. And I must wait as well. The nearest Carrefour stocks Macs but none of them is supported by MOS.

See, I can answer MOS related questions, without bringing AmigaOS 4 to it. Why other people need to bring it is beyond any explanation other than they are haters.

Fair enough answer Doc.
And I can see the advantage of buying new equipment.
OS4 still works out to be a pretty pricey proposition, but there is less risk posed buying new rather then old hardware.
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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2011, 03:19:14 PM »
Aos 3 < AROS and Aos 3 < MOS and Aos 3 < Aos 4 in just about everyway
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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2011, 03:20:29 PM »
Too expensive to upgrade an Amiga to run it, and for non-Amiga PPC hardware there's other equal or better operating systems that are free.

(Points to MOS Team for not restricting you to upgraded Amigas or ridiculously-priced custom boards, though.)
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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2011, 03:29:21 PM »
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Aos 3 < AROS and Aos 3 < MOS and Aos 3 < Aos 4 in just about everyway

Support your argument if your going to make a statement.
Otherwise you're just 'throwing crap" and that's supposed to be our job. ;)
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Re: Aos 3 -> mos
« Reply #29 from previous page: June 05, 2011, 05:15:32 PM »
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They are limited in availability. I can not find any of these specific Mac models in my area. While ebay is an option and I already have pretty good positive feedback by purchasing products, I am not interested in paying expensive shipping from UK or USA. And I must wait as well.


Have you asked from your local Amiga reseller if they could stock used Macs there?
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