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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #89 from previous page: May 28, 2011, 05:58:05 AM »
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There is only so far an operating system can go, Windows and Mac OS X reached that peak moons ago - now they just add eye-candy.


Are you suggesting Windoze and MacOS are perfect? Far from it, in fact they still lag behind OS3.9. The stability, backwards compatibility, GUI, API, speed, and other aspects of Windows are inferior to OS3.9. Eg. they still don't ever have the scrollbar arrows located together, we have had that feature for nearly 20 years...The "improvements" being made to Windoze are mostly in the area of Digital Restrictions Management and such...I'll give such "improvements" a miss. The last time any worthwhile improvements were made to Windoze was the improvements between Win98FE and Win98SE, since then it's all been downhill.
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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #90 on: May 29, 2011, 05:48:30 AM »
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I'd be willing to bet that there are more unregistered users then registered users.

Do you think these unregistered users have cracked the reg code, or are they just half-hour heroes?
 

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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #91 on: May 29, 2011, 05:58:27 AM »
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Do you think these unregistered users have cracked the reg code, or are they just half-hour heroes?

I hope the later. Cracking MorphOS is probably fairly easy, but I'd rather give them the 111 euros.
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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #92 on: May 29, 2011, 06:20:29 AM »
I was forced to vote Amiga lurker since I sold my A1200 5 years ago and I am waiting to get my A2000 up and running again. Funny! Iwas gpoing to post a similar thread, not as in depth though. I just wondered how many people were still using classic Amigas. I aslo plan on getting Amiga Forever.
 

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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #93 on: May 29, 2011, 06:31:44 AM »
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I was forced to vote Amiga lurker since I sold my A1200 5 years ago and I am waiting to get my A2000 up and running again. Funny! Iwas gpoing to post a similar thread, not as in depth though. I just wondered how many people were still using classic Amigas. I aslo plan on getting Amiga Forever.

Out of curiosity, why sell the 1200 over the 2000?
 

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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #94 on: May 29, 2011, 07:51:41 AM »
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Out of curiosity, why sell the 1200 over the 2000?


Good question, I was needing money and since at the time I was using the PC mostly, I figured I could get more for the A1200. I sold the 060 and SCSI II separately. As for the A2000 it was my first Amiga I bought in 1993 so it has sentimental value, plus I really want to play with the Video Toaster 4000 I bought for it. I had an Opalvision in my A2000 and a PAR card for a while.
 

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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #95 on: May 29, 2011, 04:23:06 PM »
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Good question, I was needing money and since at the time I was using the PC mostly, I figured I could get more for the A1200. I sold the 060 and SCSI II separately. As for the A2000 it was my first Amiga I bought in 1993 so it has sentimental value, plus I really want to play with the Video Toaster 4000 I bought for it. I had an Opalvision in my A2000 and a PAR card for a while.

Cool - seems totally reasonable.  I've been using my 4000 mostly, but I still have the 2000 and have dreams of expanding it.
 

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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #96 on: May 29, 2011, 04:29:55 PM »
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Cool - seems totally reasonable.  I've been using my 4000 mostly, but I still have the 2000 and have dreams of expanding it.

Personally, I'd max out the 4000 first.
That's still the Amiga with the highest performance potential.
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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #97 on: May 29, 2011, 06:51:16 PM »
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Personally, I'd max out the 4000 first.
That's still the Amiga with the highest performance potential.

Oh of course :D

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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #98 on: May 29, 2011, 06:56:43 PM »
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Oh of course :D

ZorRam 256, Deneb, Picasso 4 and a 4060/Cyberstorm3...

Nice. How's it feel to have better USB support then most AOS4 users?
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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #99 on: May 31, 2011, 11:44:38 AM »
Quoting Franko: "For me it seems to have proven true as I very rarely (if ever) switch things off and have had very few electrical items break down on me over the years. Sure all things degrade and wear out eventually but older computers, tvs etc... suffer more from this mainly due to the size and amount of large (in comparison to more modern stuff) capacitors they use... "

I'd have to disagree here, as I've seen plenty of evidence older appliances with their larger components (including capacitors) only last longer.  They're not as susceptible to ESD damage, nor voltage surges.  It's the modern ultra small, ultra sensistive components (surface mount, fine pitch, integrated circuits) that are fried by the tiniest voltage that larger and older components would have no problem with.  I have some experience and knowledge in this area from working in electronics manufacturing.

Also, I hadn't used my A500 for 7 years, but it powered up flawlessly when I did break it out again.  The old technology of the A500 isn't even surface mounted, it's plated through hole, and not so fine pitch as even an A1200.  I haven't had too much trouble with electrical/electronic devices either.  Electromechanical ones, it seems to be the mechanical parts failing far more often and much sooner.

I guess you leave even the monitor on 24/7?  I sure wouldn't want to foot your electrical bil :).  And can you imagine how much worse a worldwide carbon footprint there'd be if we all left everything on 24/7 also.  The world already uses problematically much energy, nevermind if the norm was leaving everything on all the time.

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No offence Mizar but it's not what I or my brother in law think nor is it based on average lifespan ratings, it's based on both scientific tests that were carried out by the manufactures & experience... :)

The tests and results proved that the more times a capacitor is powered up the shorter it's lifespan as explained previously and that also a simple thing like leaving an item for years without ever being powered up at all, the damage done in the first initial power up after all those years can and often does significant damage to the capacitors or blow them altogether... :)

If I were to believe the lifespan ratings that you speak of then both my Microvitic Monitor and my 1084 Monitors should have had needed most of  their capacitors replaced years ago with the length of time I've been running them virtually non stop (not to mention my Amigas) but they haven't... :)

Of course lots of other factors come into it too, mainly the quality and formula used in the manufacture of capacitors, just ask Apple about that one in regard to their problems with capacitors a number of years ago... :)


That wasn't me who you quoted, and then addressed me as if I had said it :).  But he is correct that electronic components have a limited lifespan, which was my original point.  However, anything mechanical is likely to fail long before anything solid state.  I didn't fully disagree with what you said, I just said it wasn't entirely correct.  Some of what you're claiming about these tests could be true, but probably not the parts I'm disagreeing with :).  I have direct and 1st hand experience and knowledge with them, I'm not just making it up.

Leaving a device unused for years and then having a problem with it is easier to believe, as the old attage "use it or lose it" applies to so many things.  And so many things can happen to something in storage, like harsh temperature extremes, dust build up, etc., that wouldn't with something that's being used relatively often.

My 1084 lasted a very long time too, but eventually after 15-16 years it wore out.  And you're right there's lots a different factors.  Quality certainly is one, like you say.  Like I previously said, the high-end nature of Amiga hardware always helps with the enduring lifespan.  :)
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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #100 on: May 31, 2011, 11:55:29 AM »
I use Amiga (not the CBM one) every week.
(A600HD, A4000 are the ones I use rarely. MOS and AROS wait for their time to come.)
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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #101 on: May 31, 2011, 12:08:28 PM »
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Aren't you still actively developing Amiga, or Amiga-Like software SamuraiCrow?

It would surprise me if you did not qualify as an "Active Amiga User".  I thought you were always writing some kind of code that was Amiga related.  Is work on Matthais still progressing, or has it stalled?


Mattathias stalled ages ago.  I'm now on the NatAmi team because it would be easier to make a new computer to run AmosPro on than it would be to make AmosPro run on the NG Amigas without an emulator.

The most programming I've done in the past month has been helping Cammy with her adventure game engine in AmigaE.

I'm on many Amiga-related teams including MUIBuilder (though I don't know how MUI works), AROS (because it looks like the least common denominator of all Amiga-like OSs), and NatAmi (because I want to run Classic Amiga software).  I haven't done much for any of them and wonder if I ever will.

It's hard being unemployed and wondering if my next paycheck will ever come.
 

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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #102 on: May 31, 2011, 12:38:56 PM »
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"I'd disagree you have to be "funny" to be into Amiga anymore. Being "normal" and only into Win/Mac just means you're a conventional, conformist, lemming, IMHO. To appreciate the best platform ever and stick with Amiga well into the 21st century just takes a little more intelligence, maybe more experience, and a lot more independence (from conformity)."

So, anyone who don't use an amiga for everyday use is a fool?. Oh, yes, it's more intelligent not having memory protection, or a decent browser, or mainstream apps...

Perhaps you are the only intelligent amigan who managed to get on his classic amiga 1080p video playing and full web experience but haven't told anyone.


You're totally putting words in my mouth.  I didn't say anything like that.  I spoke of the "normal" being into ONLY- and take careful note of that word- ONLY Win and Mac.  How exactly do you become offended by this when you have listed that you ALSO use WinUAE Amiga emulation, AROS, and even classic Amiga???

And who says there isn't a decent browser for Amiga, even classic Amiga... maybe not only for dial-up by my experience.  As far as mainstream apps, that sounds like conventionality and conformity talking :).

So, a system has to be capable of your definition of a "full web experience" to be worth using?  Gimme a break.  Most all of us do use other platforms also, such as for web browsing.
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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #103 on: May 31, 2011, 12:52:27 PM »
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That wasn't me who you quoted, and then addressed me as if I had said it :)


Ooops... :o

I arsed that on up a wee bit... I was Amiga92570 who I meant (changed it now) and not yourself, reckon I got a bit mixed up somewhere along the line as it was me and you who were talking about this subject then Amiga92570 joined in... humble apologies Mizar... :o

Well anyway I agree in part with what you say but can only stand by what I have said based upon my own experience and so therefore I am right and you are right but I still say I'm more righter than you are in this case... ;)

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Re: How many Amiga users are left?
« Reply #104 on: May 31, 2011, 04:11:12 PM »
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Ooops... :o

I arsed that on up a wee bit... I was Amiga92570 who I meant (changed it now) and not yourself, reckon I got a bit mixed up somewhere along the line as it was me and you who were talking about this subject then Amiga92570 joined in... humble apologies Mizar... :o

Well anyway I agree in part with what you say but can only stand by what I have said based upon my own experience and so therefore I am right and you are right but I still say I'm more righter than you are in this case... ;)

Erm... is righter a wurd !!! (if not then it soon will be cos I'm writing it in my dictionary right now in me best red crayon...)  :)


I'd have to agree with your basic premise on this one Franko, for the reasons both you and someone else outlined above. Further whilst larger capacitors might be able to take a larger hit before frying over more modern surface mount components it doesn't take away from the point that turning systems on and off does over the long term do more damage than simply leaving them on as far as the electronics go.

I imagine this is part of the reason so many TV's and other appliances offer a standby as the default rather than simply off on these days.
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