Which OS Would Be The Best Amiga Way Forward...

[Kesa]

Actually i thought Smerf was right. But only half right. I think Morphos is the best Amigaos available but i would never use it full time. I don't like the hardware it runs on. I want to use an Amiga not an Apple.

As for hardware alternatives to run non Apple Morphos, like what? Pegasus? Efika? Can you name anything that is readily available and modern?

I also disagree that Apple is just another hardware company. It's not. I saw on tv this morning scientists comparing Apple to a religion. When was the last time HP was compared to a religion? Never. There are a couple of reasons why i don't want to use Apple hardware but mainly i don't want to be an Apple fanboy in denial. I also don't want people to think i'm too cheap to use a real Apple os and instead am using a cheaper mediocre substitute.

[persia]

[smerf]

Hi,

@Iggy,

I really love it when you new guys come around and try to tell me what an Amiga is after I bought my Amiga 2 weeks after they hit the market, worked for Commodore selling Amiga's for 6 years (of which 3 years I won salesman of the year competing against MAC's and PC's) and sold Amiga's to Mr. Lucas. Now you come around and tell me that a MAC is an Amiga, can I ask you what kind of drugs you are using, because I definitely want some of them. You are really stuck in the PAST, (like most MAC users), PPC is gone, it has withered away, and is dead, so what you are saying is that rather look to the future and go with modern day equipment, lets use something that is dead.

Try selling that to people, the computer people in the know would laugh in your face, you might sell it to the Amiga people today that switched over to MAC's, but the real Amiga users would probably tell you to hit the road.

With people like you making the decisions, the Amiga might as well die, because using your ancient and I do mean ancient words of wisdom, and not looking towards the future the Amiga surly is dead because you truly don't understand the computer market. With your sales approach using the PPC chips you might sell (and I do mean might) a hundred computers. Go back and play with your slow, no go 1.4 ghz PPC, who knows one day you might even figure out how to get it to run a DVD movie (in black and white).

And I am sorry if I speak the truth, I always look to the future, as did Jay Miner.

smerf

[smerf]

Hi,

Come on Persia you can do way better than that.

smerf

[XDelusion]

P.O.S. would be my first vote. It's so awesome!

Since it was not an option, I would have to say MorphOS, though I can't say I ever used OS 4, and probably won't as I've yet to find a reason to spend so much cash to run it.

Anyhow, an observation in regards to the AROS votes...

I've a strong feeling none of these guys have ever used MorphOS in the long term. You would not believe how well polished this OS is. I mean really!!!

[haywirepc]

I agree that morphos is probably more polished, but you have to remember, AROS is also open source and runs on just about any spare pc anyone has laying around.
 
I keep saying someday I'll get a mac mini or emac to try morphos out, but so far I haven't yet. If it ran on x86 I'd probably have tried it right away.

Convienance is often an overlooked factor in choice of os. AROS is easier to try and easier to get an extra system to play with it on.
 
Open source is also a very attractive part of why I like AROS.
 
Steven

[vidarh]

Anyhow, an observation in regards to the AROS votes...

I've a strong feeling none of these guys have ever used MorphOS in the long term. You would not believe how well polished this OS is. I mean really!!!

As someone who voted AROS: It doesn't matter how polished MOS is. My reason for voting AROS is that it's open source.

[runequester]

As someone who voted AROS: It doesn't matter how polished MOS is. My reason for voting AROS is that it's open source.

that which belongs to everyone can't be taken away.

[XDelusion]

I agree that morphos is probably more polished, but you have to remember, AROS is also open source and runs on just about any spare pc anyone has laying around.
 
I keep saying someday I'll get a mac mini or emac to try morphos out, but so far I haven't yet. If it ran on x86 I'd probably have tried it right away.

Convienance is often an overlooked factor in choice of os. AROS is easier to try and easier to get an extra system to play with it on.
 
Open source is also a very attractive part of why I like AROS.
 
Steven

I like AROS, I like the idea of an Open Source semi-Amiga compatible X86 based OS, but my experience with it over the past few years has not been without MUCH frustration. There is a very limited chip set combination which AROS works with. Sure you can get it to boot on plenty of machines out there, but you can't get it to run smoothly without frequent lock ups, slow down, and crashes. I even have a machine that seems to check out on AROS's compatibility list, and it does... until you throw a game like Quake at it and try to run it in full screen. And God forbid you attempt to launch a classic Amiga game in ADF format, or to try to get Workbench to co-exist with AROS without a system lock up within 5 minutes or less.

So no, the "any old PC" pitch doesn't fly here like it did with BeOS back in the day. And "Convienance?" Ha ha ha ha ha!!!! NO! At least not yet.

 Though...

...from what I can tell from the Youtube videos, AROS works well on the Imica PC's that are being sold. In fact I'm highly considering buying one so I can actually enjoy AROS in the ways AROS users state they are enjoying it. I mean if I could get it to run as well as it does on those Youtube videos, I'd be elated! I'd be even more elated if AROS or MorphOS could provide support for a laptop and wireless to boot, but that's another story...


Anyhow, ya, there's my AROS experience. She arouses my hopes, then leaves me broken hearted and alone.

[AmigaPixel]

I haven't used AROS or Morph OS but I will be happy to get 3.1 on my A2000. I am way behind on the Amiga front. My vote has to go to AROS. Like others have said it is open source.

[runequester]

I like AROS, I like the idea of an Open Source semi-Amiga compatible X86 based OS, but my experience with it over the past few years has not been without MUCH frustration. There is a very limited chip set combination which AROS works with. Sure you can get it to boot on plenty of machines out there, but you can't get it to run smoothly without frequent lock ups, slow down, and crashes. I even have a machine that seems to check out on AROS's compatibility list, and it does... until you throw a game like Quake at it and try to run it in full screen. And God forbid you attempt to launch a classic Amiga game in ADF format, or to try to get Workbench to co-exist with AROS without a system lock up within 5 minutes or less.

So no, the "any old PC" pitch doesn't fly here like it did with BeOS back in the day. And "Convienance?" Ha ha ha ha ha!!!! NO! At least not yet.

 Though...

...from what I can tell from the Youtube videos, AROS works well on the Imica PC's that are being sold. In fact I'm highly considering buying one so I can actually enjoy AROS in the ways AROS users state they are enjoying it. I mean if I could get it to run as well as it does on those Youtube videos, I'd be elated! I'd be even more elated if AROS or MorphOS could provide support for a laptop and wireless to boot, but that's another story...


Anyhow, ya, there's my AROS experience. She arouses my hopes, then leaves me broken hearted and alone.

There's also the aresone to look into, if thats still around. Im not sure where and how that and the imica compares but I do know both projects donate back into aros.

[HenryCase]

There's also the aresone to look into, if thats still around. Im not sure where and how that and the imica compares but I do know both projects donate back into aros.

iMica covers the low end, Ares One covers the high end, both of the people behind these projects (Steve and Pascal) contribute to AROS in various ways, including donations to AROS bounties.

[XDelusion]

One other point, and not to be made to bash AROS, but rather to point out a reality.

 Amiga apps and games will NEVER be compatible with AROS unless re-written and obviously only a small percent of those programs will ever get re-written. That being so, AROS (in regards to the retro Amiga experience), must and can only take place via emulation. Thus AROS's main highlight is the fact that it is a means to emulate Amiga within an Amiga like environment, free of the presence of Linux or Windows. That's my current attraction.

MorphOS on the other hand, can run MANY Amiga programs without emulation, and at speeds that far surpass emulation speeds even on high end AROS compatible hardware. This is an edge that AROS will not have until PC hardware begins to make giant strides in speed at an affordable (disposable) price. Though, for the time being, AROS does have the JIT edge, which MorphOS currently suffers without for it really needs it to be able to play that pile of software which can not be run natively under MorphOS. Of course JIT is being ported to PPC so time will change all...

As for me, I like to play with what ever I can afford, and I personally can not wait for the Natami!

[bloodline]

@Xdelusion

You have missed the point that AROS on the 68k can run Amiga Apps you can try of your yourself on your real Amiga now if you like.

The point is that AROS currenty runs on:

1. Real Amigas
2. The PPC machines
3. X86 Machines
4. X86-64 Machines (I know all modern x86 machines are actually this now)
5. ARM machines

To quote Sam earlier, AROS is the lowest common denominator. It has a future in terms of hardware support and also in terms of retro support.

When you buy into AROS you aren't buying into a specific hardware platform, you are buying into an "Amiga" platform that suits your personal hardware requirements.

[Fab]

Hi,
Go back and play with your slow, no go 1.4 ghz PPC, who knows one day you might even figure out how to get it to run a DVD movie (in black and white).

Sorry to tell you MorphOS plays DVD just fine since years (on a 1.4GHz CPU, playing a DVD takes something like 35-40% CPU).

And now, what about taking your meds and be a bit less emotive about a mere computer? Who the hell cares if Apple is a sect, these ppc mac don't profit Apple anymore, anyway. The point is to use semi-decent hardware. And yes, even these old crappy macs still outperform AROS on recent PCs in several areas, thanks to a better optimisation of the OS or applications.

[XDelusion]

Bloodline: Is it as good as WorkBench 3.1 or better? Also, how's it work with the resources? How does it run on a stock A600? Is it fully compatible, is the speed I'd expect from WB 3.1 intact, or would I need something more like an 030?

Likewise, how does it handle with something like a 50to80Mhz 060 with 32 to 64Mb or RAM?