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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #149 from previous page: June 17, 2011, 03:03:54 AM »
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no, they were actually announcing their development plans for the near-term.


OK, I'll bear that in mind

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there is good and plentiful documentation included in the retail package, but nothing that i can see online.  support is something i'd like to see improved, but given the small size of the community, the help available on the fora, and the fact that neither the morphOS team nor the AROS developers offer formal support either, i doubt we'll see anything on that front for a while.


Glad you agree on that point, but Darren Eveland 'HammerD' has gone to a lot of trouble to make such information readily available, but I still feel that it should be on either Hyperion's or AmigaKit's website as they are the publishers, and authorised dealers - respectively, and Darren shouldn't be having to do it for them, though hopefully they have come to some financial arrangement with him for all his useful effort

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from what i have garnered from friends who used both OS4 and v4.1 with the subsequent updates, that it is a much, much improved product.


I really hope it is, but I'm still seeing posts on some of the Amiga forums the difficulties that some users are having with Classic OS4.1 in its latest creation, so the software still needs some noticeable improvement and work to get it up the standard I'd be prepared to consider buying it, so there's some way to go yet, IMHO.

I had some good news from Elbox, who say that they are currently working on implementing for OS4.1, what was a DMA 'hack' under OS3.9, for the PCI library 10.x which would see, the currently usable under OS3.9, DMA requiring PCI cards for the Mediator become usable under Classic OS4.1+, which would be really good news.

That should mean that the Soundblaster 128 & LIVE and other PCI Soundcards, faster network cards - the RTL8139, the Spider USB, and other PCI cards would become usable again with a Mediator - but this is work that is currently under way, and not completed or confirmed as yet.

I also believe there is a new batch/model of A1200 FastATA boards being produced for one of our favourite suppliers, so if this occurs I will feel more strongly about migrating to Classic OS4.1 than I have done before, but it is still an egg not a chicken that we have here, so I'll be watching for it all to materialise, but it certainly sounds like good news.

Elbox also still have plans, they say, for a PCI PPC card for the Mediator, but I don't have any more specific details on those plans, as yet.

I did ask them if they minded if I posted this information on this site, but they didn't reply yesterday, one way or the other, so I've gone ahead and let the wider Amiga community know of what I've been told so far, which I hope is of interest to other people who seem to be interested in this thread.

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i can only say that OS 4.1u2 is fantastic on my SAM.


Well, I'm pleased you are happy with it on newer hardware, but I still feel the price for the hardware is expensive, notwithstanding the hardware is being produced in relatively small batches.

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perhaps there is someone that frequents these boards within driving distance that wouldn't mind you trying OS 4.1 on their system?  if you lived in connecticut, you'd be welcome to swing by me -- but then again, i don't have classic hardware.


I'm not aware of anyone in my area in the UK with such Classic PPC hardware, and Classic OS4.1, unfortunately.

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i hope someone from hyperion is reading all of this, but if not, try reaching out to them and see if they are willing to help with a discount or offer a refund guarantee or something.  the worst they can say is 'no,' so it's worth a shot.


I've tried contacting Hyperion before, and it's like trying to get a response from the Marie Celeste.

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let us know what you end up deciding. :)


There's a long way to go, read that as a possible long wait, before I make a decision on buying Classic OS4.1, as it has yet to become stable, and really usable with the DMA cards, as I feel many Mediator owners with PPC boards are holding their breath for such developments.
 

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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #150 on: June 17, 2011, 08:14:57 PM »
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@Nearly-Right

Maybe you'll find this list(s) useful:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=29215&start=40&post_id=618049&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=618047&forum=32#618047

I appreciate you taking the time to make that very long list, but how come IBrowse didn't make it into your list of compatible programs?

Other than that, a very useful long useful list to save time and effort wondering if a program, that works nicely under 68k Workbench/OS, will or will not work under OS4.x.

Many thanks.

Would you be happy to copy the list from the Amigaworld site to this one, to save keep looking backwards and forwards from that site to this for the list of compatible programs? I can do it if that's OK with you, I just wanted to ask if you have any objections to me doing so, as it seems only polite to ask you first. :D
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #151 on: June 17, 2011, 08:21:35 PM »
Ibrowse OEM is supplied with AmigaOS 4.1 Classic as a contribution
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #152 on: June 17, 2011, 08:35:46 PM »
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Ibut how come IBrowse didn't make it into your list of compatible programs?

'Cos I didn't "migrate" IBrowse - it was already part of the OS4.1 contribution. ;-) As I already posted at AW.org, there's a lot more classic stuff that works (more or less) out of the box with OS4.1...

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I can do it if that's OK with you, I just wanted to ask if you have any objections to me doing so, as it seems only polite to ask you first. :D

Of course you can copy/quote/link this list - wherever you like... :-)
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #153 on: June 18, 2011, 12:06:35 AM »
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'Cos I didn't "migrate" IBrowse - it was already part of the OS4.1 contribution. ;-) As I already posted at AW.org, there's a lot more classic stuff that works (more or less) out of the box with OS4.1...

OK I understand now, but I couldn't have known as I haven't got OS4.1, and as I hadn't read all of your post on AW.org only the list itself.

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Of course you can copy/quote/link this list - wherever you like... :-)

OK, thanks, so here's your list with just a few small grammar changes to make it more readable. ;)

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      Category .....  Name ..... Version ..... Comment
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      Office   -  AmigaWriter .. 2.20 - Sometimes unstable, different behaviour with G4/440ep - remember the StormScreenManager!

      Office   -   EqEd ..               0.96

      Office    -  FinalCalc ..           1.04   -    Only non-FPU version, FPU version doesn't render diagrams correctly, IFF save doesn't work (but PS does).

      Office   -   FinalData  ..         1.0D
 
      Office    -  FinalWriter  ..       3.0        With 030-Patch.

      Office    -  Mathscript    ..      3.2
         
      Office   -   Microgolded    ..     8sp10
         
      Office   -   PageStream      ..    4.1.5.6
         
      Office    -  Prodata      ..       1.13
         
      Office   -   Protext       ..      6.10
         
      Office   -   StarAm Plan  ..       2.31
         
      Office    -  TurboCalc        ..   5.02D
         
      Office   -   Wordworth        ..   7.01
         
      Image    -   ADPro    ..           2.5.1
         
      Image   -    ArtEffect  ..         4.0.7
         
      Image    -   ArtPro       ..       1.20b
         
      Image   -    CandyFactory ..       0.54b      Unstable and very slow (PPC version doesn't work, only 68k).
 
      Image    -   Colortype         ..  3.1        The Kara Collection; works and is usable, but displays a corrupted button bar.
                   
      Image    -   Cybershow         ..  9.5a
         
      Image    -   FRED            ..    1.4.1
         
      Image    -   fxPaint        ..     2.02
         
      Image    -   ImageFX_Lite   ..     (3)
         
      Image    -   ImageStudio     ..    2.3.0
         
      Image    -   Konrad          ..    1.0.17
         
      Image    -   MonumentDesigner ..   3.044      No JIT, before start change FONT: assign!
         
      Image    -   Morph   ..            1.3.1
         
      Image    -   PerfectPaint  ..      2.93-6

      Image    -   PerfectPaint    ..    2.94       Unstable, older version much better!
                             
      Image    -   PersonalFontsMaker .. 1.2
         
      Image    -   PersonalPaint     ..  7.1
         
      Image    -   Photoalbum        ..  6.6
         
      Image    -   Photogenics     ..    5.0r121
         
      Image    -   PicView        ..     2.7a
         
      Image    -   SuperView5   ..       2.70
         
      Image    -   TVPaint          ..   3.6        = 3.59
         
      Image    -   XiPaint4           .. 0.736
         
      Image    -   ZoneXplorer      ..   1.2
         
      Render   -   Castillian      ..    2.0
         
      Render   -   Cinema4DPro   ..      4.2
         
      Render   -   ConFont       ..      1.2
         
      Render   -   GeoMorph       ..     1.0
         
      Render   -   Imagine         ..    4.0
         
      Render   -   Lyap2DEM        ..    2.1
         
      Render   -   MagicLink       ..    3.2
         
      Render   -   MakePath         ..   1.1
         
      Render   -   Monzoom        ..     4.3.65     Sometimes (ignorable) Grim at startup.
                         
      Render   -   Real3D          ..    3.5
         
      Render   -   TextureStudio   ..    1.0.2      Not perfect - rendering only to disk (not in window)

      Render   -   Viewer3       ..      0
         
      Render   -   VistaPro        ..    3.05       Crashes on exit, needs "native" screen (SuperHighRes Interlace)
         
      Draw    -    AmiFIG            ..  3.1
         
      Draw    -   Cliptool     ..       1.1
         
      Draw    -    Convert      ..       1.0.1
         
      Draw    -   Cycas           ..    1.78.7
         
      Draw    -    DrawStudio       ..   1.1.0      Usable, but save your work often

      Draw    -    EPSLab           ..   37.179
         
      Draw    -    hp2xx            ..   1.04
         
      Draw    -    MetaView          ..  2.9        Usable, but not that stable - Classes drawer must be mapped to LIBS:
 
      Draw    -    TypeSmith       ..    2.5b

      System   -   CanonBJC        ..    6.52
         
      System   -   CanonBJCPrefs   ..    6.51
         
      System   -   CanonStudio   ..      2.21
         
      System   -   ClassAction      ..   4.50       Class "ASCII[]" and d&d FROM WB leads to GRIM.
         
      System   -   Diavolo        ..     3.4Pro
         
      System   -   Envoy            ..   3.1
         
      System   -   FormAldiHyd     ..    2.3
         
      System   -   GHelp           ..    4.1
         
      System   -   goPortscan!    ..     1.1
         
      System   -   JPEGLibraryPrefs  ..    1.2        = jpeg.library; No JIT.
         
      System   -   KingCON         ..    1.8
         
      System   -   MakeCD          ..    3.2Dbeta12
         
      System   -   MultiRen         ..   1.69
         
      System   -   NetInfo        ..     1.36
         
      System   -   NetprinterPrefs  ..   1.14       = netprinter.device
         
      System   -   NetworkSnoop_68k  ..  0.1
         
      System   -   ReportPlus       ..   6.49
         
      System   -   ReqToolsPrefs     ..  38.281
         
      System   -   Skimmer         ..    1.37
         
      System   -   StromScreenManager .. 2.3
         
      System   -   SweepSys         ..   2.01
         
      System   -   T1Manager        ..   3.1        = type1.library
         
      System   -   Term            ..    4.8
         
      System   -   triton.library   ..   6.115
         
      System   -   TritonPrefs       ..  6.2
         
      System   -   Wacom            ..   1.50       Grims on exit.
         
      System   -   xfdmaster.library ..  39.15      No JIT.
         
      System   -   XPKMasterPrefs     .. 1.31
         
      Multimedia  -  Amplifier      ..     2.33
         
      Multimedia - MainActorBoadcast ..  1.04
         
      Multimedia - MainViewerBroadcast .. 1.04
         
      Multimedia - OctaMED Soundstudio   ..   1.03c
         
      Multimedia - Samplemanager      ..  2.0
         
      Multimedia - Songplayer        ..  1.62
         
      Multimedia - SSAPref          ..   1.4        No JIT.
         
      Multimedia - The Maestrix     ..   1.2
         
      Development - AmiBlitz3         ..  3.3
         
      Development - AmiBlitz3        ..   3.5beta
         
      Development - Amiga E          ..   3.3a
         
      Development - AWNPipe           ..  2.54

      Development  - CubicIDE         ..   3.0
         
      Development - GoldED            ..  8sp10
         
      Development - MurksIDE         ..   0.6.1      (alpha)
         
      Development - ReActor          ..   1.1
         
      Development - Rebol/CORE      ..    2.5.0.1.2
         
      Development - Rebol/VIEW        ..  1.2.1.1.1
         
      Development - StormWIZARD      ..   2.3
         
      Science    -  CDB            ..     1.06
         
      Science     -  Graph3D        ..     1.43
         
      Science    -  MapleV           ..   R3
         
      Science    -  mathX            ..   1.32       Sometimes with Grim, but in the meantime there is now a native version
                                                 
      Science   -   NomeEstOmen   ..      0.815
         
      Science   -   PetiteChimiste    ..  2.10
         
      Misc    -    AmiAtlas        ..    5.9
         
      Misc     -    AmiAtlas6        ..   6.53
         
      Misc     -   STFax           ..    4.1
         
      Games  -     AmiJeweled (DEMO)  .. 1.3D
         
      Games   -    Foundation (RTG)  ..  1.12
         
      Games    -   Nemac4       ..       1.100      Works, every now and then instability (sound!)
                                             

Please be aware of the fact that this list is only my "migration" list. There's a lot more OS3.x 68k software, that will work with OS4.1, but I haven't checked  those packages, as they were "fresh" installs (i.e. IBatch, SMBMounter, etc.).

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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #154 on: June 18, 2011, 12:27:31 AM »
BTW, Hyperion just opened official support forums:

Article about it here:

http://www.hd-zone.com/2011/06/hyperion-opens-official-support-forums/
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #155 on: June 18, 2011, 12:48:50 AM »
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BTW, Hyperion just opened official support forums:
Article about it here:

http://www.hd-zone.com/2011/06/hyperion-opens-official-support-forums/

splendid. an official channel for support from hyperion is an excellent and welcome addition to the corporate site.  please thank whomever opened those fora to the general user public.

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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #156 on: June 18, 2011, 01:51:20 AM »
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BTW, Hyperion just opened official support forums:


Now that's about time, but I'm surely appreciative also ;)

I've got a feeling some pestering to Hyperion has been going on, maybe by you Darren? :D If so, I'm doubly grateful
 

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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #157 on: June 18, 2011, 02:36:18 AM »
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Now that's about time, but I'm surely appreciative also ;)

I've got a feeling some pestering to Hyperion has been going on, maybe by you Darren? :D If so, I'm doubly grateful


Actually the Forums were not my idea - credit Hyperion, Hans-Joerg Frieden, and Steven Solie for that.  It's part of the wider strategy to improve communications with the user base.

I did do some poking and prodding to get them up relatively quickly, though :)

Since you are a owner of AmigaOS 4.0 Classic you should register.

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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #158 on: June 18, 2011, 02:42:29 AM »
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So are you saying it's not realistic to expect printers you can still buy in the shops to be supported by the new OS when you buy Windows or Mac OS?

I don't think I would believe that, and it shouldn't be the case with OS4.1. What's more, after about 8 years of development Hyperion should have got some printer manufacturers interested enough or prepared to offer up some details as to how to enable their more recent printers to work with Amiga OS4.x.



So, what do you do with your OS4.x machines? Obviously not DTP, and maybe not even GFX, but web/internet use usually needs something to be printed out every so often, well I find I do.



Well, I'd hope this doesn't ruin it for the rest of us.

OS4.x is currently a small sized "hobby" platform, so there would be no profits for these devs.
Just look at linux.. It has a much larger userbase and yet printers can be problematic there as well.
When you use a alternative OS you have to expect such issues and instead buy printers that are supported.
 

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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #159 on: June 18, 2011, 06:41:23 AM »
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I would suggest that if it works reliably with all the waitstates disabled, then try that. Otherwise I'd suggest testing it set to 60ns mode and in either case, compare it against some other 60ns rated memory.

There's really no rush for this, I was just curious.


two take advantage of 50ns simms go to ram menu and disable everything,but with high speed bus and *256Mb* ram (ie 67.666 low end Blizzard PPC) you may not be able to use this.

1. the Blizzard chipset(s) can overheat and damage the card. **WARNING**

2. there are poor 50ns simms and some simms are still not fast enough. there are 60ns simms that are faster than some 50ns simms.

i did a ragemem test and all the figures show its faster than a Cyberstorm 233Mhz PPC,but with 128Mb Ram speed reads over 100Mb sec. (OS4.1) PCI bus speed can read 7 & 21Mb top end.

to get around the problem iv checked each and every dram chip,as dram chips do not all overclock the same even with the same part number,so my simms are fined tuned and hand built which allows me to overclock to 83Mhz with 256Mb ram.

Blizzard PPC card need faster Dram chips than my 43ns simms,anyway will upload screenshot soon.

Bvision Update: had a few problems here,Bvision now overclock to 116Mhz with no problems but has shown it may overclock to 125Mhz,i can use workbench with Sgram @122Mhz. (modifiyed Bvision driver OS3.9)
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #160 on: June 19, 2011, 02:05:08 AM »
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Actually the Forums were not my idea - credit Hyperion, Hans-Joerg Frieden, and Steven Solie for that.  It's part of the wider strategy to improve communications with the user base.

Well, you could knock me over with a feather duster, well almost :D but maybe Steven Solie gave the final push forward, as this problem has existed for sometime, and it's happened very soon, it seems, after Steven came into the 'program'

Don't get me wrong I'm grateful, I really am.

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I did do some poking and prodding to get them up relatively quickly, though :)

ha, ha ... I knew it!

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Since you are a owner of AmigaOS 4.0 Classic you should register.

Already am, and I've put a few questions forward, already, on the Hyperion forum, some of which you already know about.
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #161 on: June 19, 2011, 02:14:00 AM »
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OS4.x is currently a small sized "hobby" platform, so there would be no profits for these devs.


We are not talking about profit, we are talking about up-to-date availability of printers - name me 1, yes just one, currently retailed modern inkjet or laser printer that we have a specific printer driver for?

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Just look at linux.. It has a much larger userbase and yet printers can be problematic there as well.


I don't want to know about Linux's problems, I want our problems resolved. Let's not waste time looking at someone else's OS to point to our own OS's shortcomings.

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When you use a alternative OS you have to expect such issues and instead buy printers that are supported.


Yes that's my point ... we have no up-to-date supported printers other than the ones that were supported back in 2002 under OS3.9 - 9 years ago - and they don't make those printers anymore, unfortunately.
 

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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #162 on: June 20, 2011, 09:13:28 AM »
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #163 on: June 20, 2011, 09:55:51 AM »
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We are not talking about profit, we are talking about up-to-date availability of printers - name me 1, yes just one, currently retailed modern inkjet or laser printer that we have a specific printer driver for?



Any printer that supports PostScript will do you just fine. Once you have Postscript support, the issue is more down to the applications not fully supporting it (e.g. Wordworth) than the OS. Off the top of my head, pretty much any Brother laser printer will work - hell, we use them in work for machines that still run MS-DOS 5... Most of them even have a parallel connection as well as USB.
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy
« Reply #164 on: June 21, 2011, 01:14:41 AM »
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Benchmark screenshot


So, what hardware have you got in your Amiga with the Blizzard card?
Is it a tower system or just the PPC card and BVision tucked inside the A1200 case?
Who did the overclocking, and would it be easy enough for most owners to do?

Were there any problems you encountered installing Classic OS4.1 on your system?

Otherwise, most impressive! :D