Is Natami Vapourware?

[desiv]

who uses floppys in 2011, guess you ain't heard of flash drives and sd cards etc.

Yes, I've heard of those things you mention.  
For my retro computers, I use floppies frequently.
I use whdload also, but that's in addition to the floppies...

Just for the nostalgia...

desiv

[Forcie]

who uses floppys in 2011, guess you ain't heard of flash drives and sd cards etc.

The same people using serial and parallel ports, Atari-standard joystick ports, 15KHz video output etc.
Retro computing enthusiasts. The very target market of the machine.

People are breathing down our necks about compatibility, and you complain about features making it more Amiga compatible?

[commodorejohn]

who uses floppys in 2011, guess you ain't heard of flash drives and sd cards etc.

I do! Floppies kick ass.

[runequester]

who uses floppys in 2011, guess you ain't heard of flash drives and sd cards etc.

Guess you haven't heard of capitalization.

[Franko]

I do! Floppies kick ass.

Nah... no way man...

Old C64 Tapes kick some bottom, 15 minutes of loading then the message that makes your day... LOAD ERROR ... :furious:

Now that's Retro entertainment...

[Forcie]

I myself am heavily dependent upon floppies, not just because I use a lot of older computers, but also because I need them to operate a lot of my older music equipment. Therefore I am very happy that the Natami will support a floppy drive, so I can use it to hack old obscure sampler disk formats etc.

And do not come tell me "lol change ur synths and samplers lol" because there are no modern replacements providing the very same functions and sound.

[Fats]

Well I guess as it's not a commercial product and just a hobby type deal, I can cut them some slack and not call it vapourware just yet.

And even if you or somebody else would call it vapourware it would not change anything. Just to say I don't see the reason for this thread.

greets,
Staf.

[takemehomegrandma]

Hmm, well OK, just *one* more post before I shut up in this thread:

I don't think you quite get the meaning of "prototypes."

OK, if having a *not* fully working prototype, and *not* having the thing publicly available means that something isn't to be consider vapor, then I guess we can lift the "vapor" label from this one too:

http://tdolphin.org/amikrak/amizaduszki2k6/DSC01915.JPG
http://tdolphin.org/amikrak/amizaduszki2k6/DSC01922.JPG
http://tdolphin.org/amikrak/amizaduszki2k6/DSC01924.JPG

Heck, the webpages is still there:
http://www.elbox.com/faq_dragon.html
http://www.elbox.com/news_04_12_17.html

"On 27 July 2006 we had presentation of DRAGON 1200 for a Freescale Inc. representative who visited Elbox Computer. The DRAGON 1200-based system on presentation was fitted with the Radeon 9200 AGP graphic card, the Fast Ethernet network card, the Hi-Speed USB and TV tuner cards, all working under AmigaOS 3.9."

:p

[desiv]

OK, if having a *not* fully working prototype, and *not* having the thing publicly available means that something isn't to be consider vapor

You have to realize, every product ever goes through this phase.
All products have a period of time where they have working but not complete versions but aren't publically available yet..
Everything..

A product is vapor when it isn't going to be released...
That means that, while there are "questions" about if it will ever be released (assuming the company doesn't say "It's dead Jim"), people have to decide if it is vapor.
In commercial products, this is usually a relatively short timeframe, depending on the complexity of the product.

In these smaller run products, it's trickier still...

One of the main qualifiers for many people is progress..
If there is active news showing progress (albeit slow), most people won't consider it vapor.
Both Natami and FPGAArcade have shown progress recently, and as such are generally not considered vapor.

Now, you could say, as news was slow for a long time, that it was perfectly acceptable to claim Natami WAS vapor, and now is back in development (i.e. Duke 3D Forever)....
It did appear (from the outside) to be stalled, at least until we actually started seeing demo videos of the hardware and it actually working..

IMHO

desiv

[Templario]

Not, it is a longest Amiga project, well the X1000 too. But from NatAmi we have pictures as the X1000.

[digiflip]

ok so when Natami is still not being sold outside Natami Team Members in 10 years time. It can then be considered vapourware lol.

[desiv]

ok so when Natami is still not being sold outside Natami Team Members in 10 years time. It can then be considered vapourware lol.

I know you were being sarcastic, but of course.. ;-)

In fact, now that they have shown hardware and progress, I would think people would be seriously throwing around the vapor word if there isn't something in less than a year..

However, if it's just about being sold outside the team, I'm sure if you offered them enough money, they'd sell you a board now...

desiv

[TheBilgeRat]

However, if it's just about being sold outside the team, I'm sure if you offered them enough money, they'd sell you a board now...

desiv

If they had a use for a left middle-aged testicle I'd offer one up for a board. :lol:

[Iggy]

You are all too cynical. The Natami has existed for some time (since the first C-ONE prototype).
Bug fixes and feature creeap have realty added to the tine necessary to get this system up to the level it needs to be marketed to the general public.

if this board doesn't get released I'll eat my Mac

[digiflip]

Are you eating a normal sized big mac or super sized american one?

[LordSpunky]

Old C64 Tapes kick some bottom, 15 minutes of loading then the message that makes your day... LOAD ERROR ... :furious:

Now that's Retro entertainment...

HAHHHAAAHHHAAAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

:rofl:

That's so funny I nearly puked! I really, nearly, did!
So true!