Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...

[TheBilgeRat]

cowardly drivel

Who are you, again?  That's right, a shill account.

[Piru]

But I'm not sure Commodore WERE the only copyright holder. For certain aspects of Workbench they were a licensee... for example, Commodore's license for the Narrator library expired in 1991 - which is why it wasn't included in later versions of Workbench. Cloanto had to license that independently, which they did for the first time in 2002. I think there were other components of Workbench for which Commodore was a licensee, e.g. ARexx and Memacs?

So to get the original Workbench disks released into the public domain, you'd probably need to get a whole list of copyright holders to contact, not just the entity which has inherited all of Commodore's copyrights. I get the impression Cloanto have done this.

You make a very good point here. Several components have had their licensing issues, like you point out, at least ARexx and narrator. Later on Haage&Partner did their own share by including an illegal copy of Genesis TCP/IP stack to AmigaOS 3.9.

Cloanto were very careful to sort out these issues in their distributions. Here are some details: http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/15-107

[psxphill]

(Strange how if Copyright laws are so simple that court cases can drag on for years before being resolved...)

Actually I'm the UK. Our copyright law is much simpler than the US. We have no such thing as fair use in law, if you don't have permission then it's wrong. However you just don't end up in court for minor infrigement.
 
Copyright cases drag on when the defendant claims they created the copyright work. This is not that type of case.
 

You are wrong:
There is much more than that. For example there is copyright expiration, fair use, orphaned worK, etc.. And, the fact that law regarding copyright varies from country to country.

It hasn't expired, it's not fair use. Internation copyright is generally consistent. However yes it would be legal in china.

[psxphill]

Second, if stuff was given to PD, ie, Petro gives Workbench 3.0 to PD in 1995, then so what if Cloanto has a agreement a year prior to distribute disks? They can still distribute them fine. We can still get 3.0 free per Petro. Where is the conflict?

There is no way that Petro would have had the authority to release it in the public domain. Besides he'd have had to release the disks in such a way that they didn't assert copyright. As all of the disks I've ever seen claim that commodore or amiga technologies assert their copyright, I can't see how they are in the public domain.

[Steino]

It's occurred to me... most of the time posters have been talking about a 'copyright holder' in the singular, with the assumption that Commodore was the copyright holder of Workbench/AmigaOS and it got somewhat murky after 1994.

Which is indeed what Amiga Forever explains on their site:

http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/13-122

They also have a page where they explain how they re-licensed some things found on the original floppy disks, the rights of which had expired (like the speech), but I can't seem to find that now.

[TheBilgeRat]

Which is indeed what Amiga Forever explains on their site:

http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/13-122

They also have a page where they explain how they re-licensed some things found on the original floppy disks, the rights of which had expired (like the speech), but I can't seem to find that now.

Really?  Can't find information on your own website?

Who are you?

[psxphill]

At least in the US, anyone is allowed to make and use a backup of any software they are legally entitled to, regardless of what it says in the packaging.

Yes, you are entitled to backup your disk and keep it safe. You can't copy someone elses disk and you can't give the disk to anyone else.
 
But I don't see how thats relevant to someone wanting to distribute adf's on a web site.

[CSixx]

Yes, you are entitled to backup your disk and keep it safe. You can't copy someone elses disk and you can't give the disk to anyone else.
 
But I don't see how thats relevant to someone wanting to distribute adf's on a web site.

If they own the original also, its irrelevant who's fingers actually pushed the copy button. They are entitled to use a backup, period...

Also, if you read the whole thread, you would see why it's relevant.

[psxphill]

Does he have the legal right? I DON'T KNOW? Do you know. No you don't.
 
The only one that would know may be the Copyright holder! If they disagree. (Which as this point they haven't said they do). Then they could either tell Franko, or his ISP, or just take him to court.
 
So far it appears the Copyright holders agrees that Franko does have a right to distribute the disks. Who are you to say otherwise exactly?

If you don't know if you have the legal right, then you don't.
 
You require express permission, saying you couldn't contact the copyright holder is not good enough.
 
Otherwise you could say you tried asking Microsoft whether you could copy Windows but when you went to the local bus station they didn't have a representative there to ask & when you stood there with a sign around your kneck all day nobody told you that you couldn't. A bit extreme, but Franko has been just as effective.

[desiv]

Yes, you are entitled to backup your disk and keep it safe.

Not always..
Just ask RealNetworks...
DMCA...

desiv

[Digiman]

I'm sure EU law dictates you are allowed to make a backup and use a backup of ALL software and this right supersedes all other rights a seller may impose on you.

[desiv]

I'm sure EU law dictates you are allowed to make a backup and use a backup of ALL software and this right supersedes all other rights a seller may impose on you.

Are you sure?  There is a version of the DMCA in Europe..  (EUCD??)
No idea how it compares to the USA version..

desiv

[haywirepc]

SCREWING amiga fans forever...
 
Come on thats funny.
 
And by the way, personal paint blows. I'd rather be forced to use microsoft windows paint than that trainwreck.
 
I suppose I do just wonder, how long will the amiga community allow cloanto to have this stranglehold on roms and 3.1 disks?
 
I like thier explanation on their own website, where they basically say "We can't prove you can't post roms on websites, but we'll bitch about it anyway."
 
And I think it says alot that although cloanto or its representatives won't publicly post here in this thread to defend their probably illegal actions taken against franko, they will sign up a shill account. -=Moderated=- cowards.
 
Steven

[Retro_71]

Ahhhh! The copyright mafia so knowledgeable about crap they are the true legal expert that the whole world looks to.... i used to have a measure of respect for some people here (not talking about Franko btw) but now i see them as sheep and morons regurgitating the same things over and over again how every sad.
Craptos only have right when it come to their stupid EMULATION package (that i have said elsewhere you can do better in 5 secs and for free). They have no right on REAL CLASSIC AMIGA hardware. Funny that all these copyright mafia don't actually use classic amiga they have gone over to Apples and PC good luck to you if you like that sort of thing but i rather use my I7 six core for everyday stuff. But as i love to mess around with my CLASSIC Amiga it kind of hard when your disks are corrupt...

Anyway since only idiots buy craptos i can understand why some of you protest so much, don't like to be shown up as fools for buying such crap.

[Heiroglyph]

And by the way, personal paint blows. I'd rather be forced to use microsoft windows paint than that trainwreck.

Don't forget that TVPaint for Amiga was released for free by NewTek.  That's still one of my favs. I use the PC version, Aura, every day and other than Aura having animation it's very similar.

NewTek also released the source to the VT, CG, Flyer and DigiPaint when there was no more money in it as a nod to the community that got them where they are today.

THAT'S how it's done.

[Franko]

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