Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...

[Rodomoc]

Just to get this straight: forcing Cloanto - which is the private Amiga hobby of two long term Amiga supporters who released their major commercial application (PPaint) for free on Aminet before Franko could even walk - into a legal battle just because they happen to disagree with his bullshit is a good thing now?

Way to go.

I'll go and sue amiga.org now, because I dislike Franko. Give me a minute, I'll open a thread where my supporters can post how much they adore me.

For the record, I bought my own 3.1 disks from an Amiga dealer. And have purchased multiple revisions of Cloantro products. As far as people learning to walk; It is possible that when I was actively programming on a Pet4032 that there were many people in the world not walking yet.

[Digiman]

Yup the company who hosts my site is called NamesCo, even their legal dept is finding this whole Amiga copyrights thing interesting as from what they can make of it so far it's a complete and utter mess...

But then all of us Amiga users already knew that...

It's even better if they are outsiders waiting for the right paperwork legally speaking, if it isn't technically up to scratch that's all they need to know.

[cgutjahr]

To me, it's "Franko's idea about Workbench disk images for real Amigas" vs "Cloanto's idea about his distribution of said images."

There are two possible outcomes for this whole bullshit:

1. Cloanto can convince Franko's hoster to take down the ROMs and cut off his balls. They will have wasted their own time and ressources to deal with him, I doubt Franko's going to pay their expenses. Is there anything positive about this particular outcome?

or

2. Cloanto can not convince Franko's hoster. We will still not know who really owns the copyright (we already know Cloanto doesn't), Workbench disk images will still not be Public Domain and you'll still not be allowed to post links to them on amiga.org. You will still be able to ask Google and download them anyway. Perhaps I'm missing something, but where's the big achievement here?

Perhaps somebody can try to explain this to me, because I don't get it. Not to mention the fact that the consensus here seems to be: "Research sucks, let's behave like twelve years olds".

[commodorejohn]

1. Cloanto can convince Franko's hoster to take down the ROMs and cut off his balls. They will have wasted their own time and ressources to deal with him, I doubt Franko's going to pay their expenses. Is there anything positive about this particular outcome?

Yes: petty freelance copyright police will have wasted time and money on a pointless activity, as they deserve.

2. Cloanto can not convince Franko's hoster. We will still not know who really owns the copyright (we already know Cloanto doesn't), Workbench disk images will still not be Public Domain and you'll still not be allowed to post links to them on amiga.org. You will still be able to ask Google and download them anyway. Perhaps I'm missing something, but where's the big achievement here?

The small achievement would be getting Cloanto to admit to having no grounds for this takedown notice. The larger one would be if it attracted the attention of whoever does hold the copyright, so that they can be dealt with, as Franko has stated all along is his intention.

[Retro_71]

cgutjahr , basically Cloanto is trying to dictate to us on how we can get our replacement disks (by being quick to state that people should take off the workbench disk when they actually don't have any rights to do so) i have Original 1.2,1.3,1.3.3,2.04,2.05,3.0 and 3.1 Disks BUT most of them are not working you trying to tell me i am not allowed to get these disk even if i have bought them and still have them BUT they are not working? i bought a copy of amiga forever 2006 long ago waste of money if you ask me. They don't have anything that interests me or do anything that i can benefit from as a classic Amiga user quite frankly i don't give a flying F*** about them all i want is my disk working so i can boot up my system (yes i know you can get them from anywhere but i want originals that work).
You talk high and mighty but do you actually use a classic amiga at all??
All these copyright mafia i actually wonder if they even have classic Amiga's or actually use them on a daily or weekly basis because if they did they wouldn't open there mouths so much citing useless garbage.
Anyway go Franko GO!

[TheBilgeRat]

Perhaps somebody can try to explain this to me, because I don't get it. Not to mention the fact that the consensus here seems to be: "Research sucks, let's behave like twelve years olds".

What is your point, cupcake?  You seriously can't be bothered to read this thread from the very beginning?  If you are too stupid to open your eyes, perhaps you shouldn't open your mouth.

But there is an easy solution.  Go to the first post in this thread.  Read it.  Then read the second post.  Then read every { x | x ∈ ℕ } posts until finished.

[koaftder]

What a massive sense of entitlement some folks around here have.

[koaftder]

and you'll still not be allowed to post links to them on amiga.org.

That's all this was ever about.

[commodorejohn]

What a massive sense of entitlement some folks around here have.

Yeah, Cloanto are being such pricks about this, thinking that because they paid a license fee they're supposed to be the only game in town...but hey, whatyagonnado?

[Retro_71]

What a massive sense of entitlement some folks around here have.

You better believe it buddy....
I am entitled to use my Amiga's without having to rely on faulty disks if that means downloading or buying them so be it.
Without some smartass who hasn't touch a classic Amiga for ages or copyright mafia sprouting rubbish.

[koaftder]

Yeah, Cloanto are being such pricks about this, thinking that because they paid a license fee they're supposed to be the only game in town...but hey, whatyagonnado?

Pricks? Little harsh don't you think? They state that they're legally and contractually obligated to do something about piracy. Have you read the private agreement between Colanto and the copyright owner? It could very well be that they forfeit their license to the material if they overlook piracy, or worse.

Having a license to distribute copyrighted material does not make a company "the enemy".

[desiv]

That's all this was ever about.

Really?  That's all you see?  You've missed most of the fun....  :lol:
(nuance)

desiv

[haywirepc]

Personally, I think cloanto has taken advantage of the whole situation for years and years too long. I think they LIKE the fact that amiga ip has changed hands so many times. This makes it very hard for anyone to prove that their claims to the roms, disk images and so forth are no longer valid.
 
Its obvious they do go to extremes to try and protect their own selfish financial interests. Franko's site is not the first one they made complaints about. They complain to service providers EVERYTIME someone posts a rom or disk image relating to amiga OS.
 
I think its kind of funny they report people for copyright infringement when they have no proof of ownership. Franko is lucky, many webspace providers would just force the user to take down any content someone complains about.
 
 
Open challenge to cloanto : Post legal proof in word document or pdf format that proves you have a right to sell the roms or disk sets.
 
They will never do that. The entity they made the original agreement with no longer even exists. They have no legal right to sell roms or disk sets, let alone stop someone else from doing so (or giving it away as free downloads)
 
A side note, I will be selling my new emulation dvd entitled "Fucking amiga fans forever". The set will include roms, disk images and pictures of the corvette I'm going to buy by robbing every amiga fan that wants to run amiga in emulation for 15+ years.
 
I will never provide anyone with proof I have the right to do so, but since it worked for cloanto, I should be fine.
 
 
Steven

[commodorejohn]

Pricks? Little harsh don't you think? They state that they're legally and contractually obligated to do something about piracy. Have you read the private agreement between Colanto and the copyright owner? It could very well be that they forfeit their license to the material if they overlook piracy, or worse.

They certainly aren't legally obligated to do so, and while I would have some sympathy if they've signed themselves into a stupid agreement that deputizes and burdens them to do Amiga, Inc.'s work for them, the fact remains that they're still taking (vague, groundless) action against actual Amiga users on behalf of one of the vulture companies that have been the Amiga community's biggest source of problems since Commodore bit it.

[IRTheBorg]

@Franko

I did not close the other thread. If you have suggestions for feature improvements to the excellent Amiga Forever 2011 Premil
um package please contact the developers with you feedback and requests.

I am realy enjoying reading this thread, however  I use AmiKit and OS3.9 runing on WinUAE. I did purchase Amiga Forever 2011 because I neded those rom images hehe. I tried some of the images available on the net, but most do not work right. Now back to this thread - interesting stuff

[Franko]

This thread turned out to be a waste of time...