Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...

[Franko]

This thread turned out to be a waste of time...

[cgutjahr]

I think you may be getting somewhere in unravelling things.

Just to get this straight: forcing Cloanto - which is the private Amiga hobby of two long term Amiga supporters who released their major commercial application (PPaint) for free on Aminet before Franko could even walk - into a legal battle just because they happen to disagree with his bullshit is a good thing now?

Way to go.

I'll go and sue amiga.org now, because I dislike Franko. Give me a minute, I'll open a thread where my supporters can post how much they adore me.

[runequester]

Well, if they have the rights and can back it up, all is well.

If they don't, then they've been ripping people off on false premises.

[Franko]

This thread turned out to be a waste of time...

[tone007]

Just to get this straight: forcing Cloanto - which is the private Amiga hobby of two long term Amiga supporters who released their major commercial application (PPaint) for free on Aminet before Franko could even walk - into a legal battle just because they happen to disagree with his bullshit is a good thing now?

Why should they get to say who can or can't download something they don't even own, and even if they had the rights to, have decided to not make available?  I personally find their available products useless, not wanting to go with the "Amiga-on-a-PC" thing, and the fact that they would prevent other people with real Amigas from using them due to their old disks getting corrupted only lessens my respect for them.  Profiteering control freaks!

[desiv]

Just to get this straight

er..  No, you missed the point...  :confused:
Perhaps you should re-read the thread..

desiv

[commodorejohn]

Just to get this straight: forcing Cloanto - which is the private Amiga hobby of two long term Amiga supporters who released their major commercial application (PPaint) for free on Aminet before Franko could even walk - into a legal battle just because they happen to disagree with his bullshit is a good thing now?

Oy, more "worship Cloanto, for lo, they are our only true friend" tripe? They're not even the alleged owners, they're just playing freelance copyright police for them out of some misguided sense of obligation. I don't have any particular ill will towards them, but if they're going to go badgering people with takedown notices, they damn well ought to have something to back it up, or it's just empty sound and fury.

[desiv]

And to point out something, it doesn't have to be Franko vs Cloanto.
To me, it's "Franko's idea about Workbench disk images for real Amigas" vs "Cloanto's idea about his distribution of said images."

What I mean by that is:
I like Cloanto..
I like Amiga Forever..  
I like PPaint...
I think Cloanto is a net positive for the Amiga community..

AND

I think Franko might be right about disk images for Workbench for real Amigas.

desiv

[Fraggle1]

Wow ! AmigaHeretic's post is VERY informative & shows what a mess the whole thing is.

The way I read it, it's perfectly possible that the copyrights were never part of the deal. This would make a certain amount of sense, because the patents & trademarks may (at that time) have been seen as carrying a value due to the Commodore brand, which was still fresh in the public's memory, & might have been profitably revived, while the copyrights may have been seen as representing little or no value - Even at that time it was obvious that (if it were to be a serious contender) the Amiga needed a major hardware & OS upgrade, so why spend money on buying copyrights to something that would soon be left behind ?

Naturally, if the copyrights were not included in ESCOM's purchase, then they could not have been transferred from ESCOM to Gateway or anyone else later.
Further transfers, which may or may not have been properly concluded, & particularly that in 2007, appear to throw even more doubt upon the current ownership of CBM's copyrights.

@ cgutjahr

Your post makes no sense at all. Being long term Amiga supporters & releasing free software does not give Cloanto ownership of the relevant copyrights. If they choose to make a takedown claim against Franko based purely on their over-zealous interpretation of their license terms, then upon their own heads be it.

[Heiroglyph]

Let me say I have nothing against Cloanto, I bought one copy of Amiga Forever and was gifted a newer one by a friend.

I have to agree, Cloanto is on shaky ground.

Just because they have a license to distribute, I don't believe that gives them the ability to file DMCA claims for instance.  That is a right the copyright holder has and (I think) it's legally punishable to file a DMCA notice on copyrights you knowingly don't own.

If they are just reporting to your ISP that you are making pirated software available, that's legal, but kind of a dick move given the current state of things.

I'd like to see who really has the copyright, it's a shame you almost have to bait people into court to prove it.

[Franko]

This thread turned out to be a waste of time...

[Iggy]

As the disks Franko is concerned with only have application in 'legacy Amiga's, AND there are no other machines that could use the (discounting the MInimig). it only seems far to allow legacy users to obtain backup of thier software.

[haywirepc]

1) Lots of people have contributed free apps, games or contributed to amiga bounties. It does not give any of those people the right to hold amiga roms and workbench disks hostage forever.
 
2) Amiga forever is nice, but if the amiga grave robbers like cloanto didn't hold on to 20+ year old roms and disk sets, no one would need it.
 
3) Cloanto does not own anything. They have or had a liscence from the other amiga grave robbers to distribute the roms and disk sets. Of course they have a vested financial interest, which is why they are complaining about franko's site. They wish to continue to hold these things hostage for their own profit forever apparently.
 
4) Kudos to Franko for standing up to the amiga grave robbers. Make them prove ownership or tell them to golly off. Its about time someone did that. I think we should ALL host these files and let them try and stop everyone. They can't. The graverobbers have made enough money off the corpse of amiga. Lets take these things back.

[Amiwest]

I found an old web page that might help if you have a copy of Amiga + magazine from 3/2000. All WB disk to 2 were on the cover disk.  I do not have a copy.

# Zurück zur Hauptseite #

· ATTENTION · ACHTUNG · ATTENTION ·
home.t-online.de/home/rbenda/xxx.html

Because of reactivated copyrights of the new AMIGA owner, this file is no
longer available on this website. If you need support for defective
diskettes etc., please contact "http://www.amiga.de" or "http://www.cloanto.com".

All OS and WB files till version 2.0 are released on the new Amiga+ (3/2000)
magazine cover cd with permission of Amiga International (Germany). CD32 developer
files are released with the permission of Amiga International on the first
"CD32 Outside" magazine cover cd. You can also find UAE with OS 1.3/3.0 and
workbench 3.0 files on the "PC-Magazin" cover cd, march/2000.

Cloanto has now also realeased a cd called "Amiga forever plus pack" which
contains the os versions 1.0 - 2.04.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Aufgrund der Reaktivierung der verschiedenen Copyrights des neuen Inhabers der
Marke "AMIGA", ist diese Datei auf dieser Webseite nicht mehr zu finden. Bei
Problemen mit Disketten etc. wenden Sie sich bitte direkt an
"http://www.amiga.de" oder "http://www.cloanto.com".

Eine installierbare Version von UAE mit Kickstart 1.3/3.0 und der Workbench 3.0
finden Sie auch auf der Heft-CD der Zeitschrift "PC-Magazin", Ausgabe März 2000.

OS-Dateien bis zu den Versionen 2.0 sind mit Genehmigung von Amiga International
(Deutschland) auf der aktuellen Heft-CD der Amiga+, Ausgabe 3/2000 zu finden.

CD32 Entwickler Dateien befinden sich auf der Heft-CD zur ersten Ausgabe des
"CD32 Outside" Magazins, ebenfalls mit Genehmigung durch Amiga International.

Inzwischen hat Cloanto auch eine CD mit dem Namen "Amiga Forever Plus Pack" auf
den Markt gebracht. Sie beinhaltet Kickstart und Workbench 1.0 - 2.04.


© 10.12.2000 by Rainer Benda, Computer & Zubehör

[Fraggle1]

I'm impressed ! However, I feel that some questions need answering.

Can a copyright really be "reactivated" ? How is this possible ? You see, as I understand it, if a copyright lapses, then it's subject becomes Public Domain, & if something is Public Domain for even ONE second, then it's Public Domain forever afterwards, & no one can claim it as belonging only to themselves.

Can't contact Amiga International (Germany) as this was a division of Gateway, who no longer own any Amiga property, & why, if Cloanto have a license to distribute genuine WB discs, have they not made this apparent ?
They've obviously been watching this thread & know what the issues are, so why not speak up & let everyone know that the discs are (or should be) available from them ?
What does their silence tell us ?

[Rodomoc]

Just to get this straight: forcing Cloanto - which is the private Amiga hobby of two long term Amiga supporters who released their major commercial application (PPaint) for free on Aminet before Franko could even walk - into a legal battle just because they happen to disagree with his bullshit is a good thing now?

Way to go.

I'll go and sue amiga.org now, because I dislike Franko. Give me a minute, I'll open a thread where my supporters can post how much they adore me.

For the record, I bought my own 3.1 disks from an Amiga dealer. And have purchased multiple revisions of Cloantro products. As far as people learning to walk; It is possible that when I was actively programming on a Pet4032 that there were many people in the world not walking yet.