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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #194 from previous page: May 04, 2011, 11:13:40 PM »
Well I've done me bit for today, so now I'm off to have me dinner, put me feet up and do some serious stuff like count me teaspoon collection while I await MI5, MI6, the FBI , CIA or the ghost of Mother Teresa of Calcutta to kick in me door and punish me for being such a wicked nasty person... :)

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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #195 on: May 04, 2011, 11:14:52 PM »
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Let me guess, you're the gay spammer over at moobunny?

Nice.  I'd say yes, but the IP doesn't lie.  Unless it does. Which it doesn't.

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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #196 on: May 04, 2011, 11:15:35 PM »
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I'd rather be a self righteous asshole than Franko's gimp.

And Poof! You are!
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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #197 on: May 04, 2011, 11:17:11 PM »
@ bloodline

I appreciate what you're saying, though perhaps in your case it's a little more subjective than for others ? Most here have nothing of their own to lose, so have little interest in seeing that copyright law is respected, I think.
Good idea about the "special place", far too much 'copyright camping' happening today. Can't imagine that the legal profession would like it much - they make far too much money from things the way they are.
 

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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #198 on: May 04, 2011, 11:27:39 PM »
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@ bloodline

I appreciate what you're saying, though perhaps in your case it's a little more subjective than for others ? Most here have nothing of their own to lose, so have little interest in seeing that copyright law is respected, I think.
Good idea about the "special place", far too much 'copyright camping' happening today. Can't imagine that the legal profession would like it much - they make far too much money from things the way they are.
Like most things, it's hard to see when you're on the other side of the fence... So to speak... I think most people here are probably quite happy with the law that protects their possessions... It is illegal for me to break into someone's house and steal their DVDs. We don't get to pick and choose the law, if we don't like the laws of our country we can in theory vote in a government who will change the laws, but enough people have to dislike that law, that is the consequence of living in a civilised society.

Again for the record, I think big corporations have abused both copyright and patent law to the point of making them a joke... But if I expect the law to protect me then I have to respect it, even if I don't like all of it :(

-Edit- On topic, if Franko wants to challenge Amiga Inc's claim to the AmigaOS IP, then he needs to do it properly, not through piracy but through the legal system!
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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #199 on: May 04, 2011, 11:27:47 PM »
You know, I don't see anyone here being nearly this anal about other Amiga properties like the boing ball.
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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #200 on: May 04, 2011, 11:30:25 PM »
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They can always be re-posted and I don't have to link to it to mention amigauk.com.

BTW - Why is this issue important to you Staf? Surely you don't believe that Bill McEwen deserves to be well treated?
The original AmigaInc in Washington still hasn't paid off its bad debts.


As an open source guy I like strict enforcement of all IP laws, it is advantageous for open source.
Maybe I missed something but Franko is distributing copyrighted material without permission. The rest is bullshit.

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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #201 on: May 04, 2011, 11:32:43 PM »
I still think it is all a load of crap really. This is Workbench we are talking about! On aging floppies! (insert joke here) If my original's are gone then I need a replacement or my original C-Amiga hardware isn't as it should be, as I said before, Amiga-Inc let me pay you £5 / £10 / £20 for a Workbench disc set.....or make them PD or until then Franko it is!.....I wonder if these haters unlock their mobile phones???!!!!!
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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #202 on: May 04, 2011, 11:35:16 PM »
one Bloodline. We can choiose
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Like most things, it's hard to see when you're on the other side of the fence... So to speak... I think most people here are probably quite happy with the law that protects their possessions... It is illegal for me to break into someone's house and steal their DVDs. We don't get to pick and choose the law, if we don't like the laws of our country we can in theory vote in a government who will change the laws, but enough people have to dislike that law, that is the consequence of living in a civilised society.

Again for the record, I think big corporations have abused both copyright and patent law to the point of making them a joke... But if I expect the law to protect me then I have to respect it, even if I don't like all of it :(

Actually, you're wrong on that one Bloodline. We can choose to disobey a law. Its the entire core of civil disobedience. There are two ways to defeat a law that is unpopular. One is the way you mentioned (working through the political system). The other is to refuse to submit to it and fight it out in the courts.
If it wasn't for this later method (and jury nullification) prohibition would not have been as easily defeated in my country.
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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #203 on: May 04, 2011, 11:39:26 PM »
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As an open source guy I like strict enforcement of all IP laws, it is advantageous for open source.
Maybe I missed something but Franko is distributing copyrighted material without permission. The rest is bullshit.

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I appreciate your opinion on this Staf.
But I can't defend the copyright holder. He's dishonest.
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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #204 on: May 04, 2011, 11:41:35 PM »
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one Bloodline. We can choiose

Actually, you're wrong on that one Bloodline. We can choose to disobey a law. Its the entire core of civil disobedience. There are two ways to defeat a law that is unpopular. One is the way you mentioned (working through the political system). The other is to refuse to submit to it and fight it out in the courts.
If it wasn't for this later method (and jury nullification) prohibition would not have been as easily defeated in my country.


Does it make sense to try and affect change in copyright law by spamming drive-by diarrhea on the forum?
 

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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #205 on: May 04, 2011, 11:43:13 PM »
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one Bloodline. We can choiose

Actually, you're wrong on that one Bloodline. We can choose to disobey a law. Its the entire core of civil disobedience. There are two ways to defeat a law that is unpopular. One is the way you mentioned (working through the political system). The other is to refuse to submit to it and fight it out in the courts.

As I have stated, I would prefer Franko take this approach, and challenge A Inc properly rather than resort to piracy.

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If it wasn't for this later method (and jury nullification) prohibition would not have been as easily defeated in my country.


Well good for you!

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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #206 on: May 04, 2011, 11:51:59 PM »
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As I have stated, I would prefer Franko take this approach, and challenge A Inc properly rather than resort to piracy.

I think this actually IS Franko's intent. He has no other motive. Posting the files either provokes a reaction or it doesn't. And if it doesn't, well that's very telling in itself.

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Well good for you!

Yes, it sounds stupid, doesn't it? Civilized country allows a vocal minority to promote the passage of an unpopular law. Prohibiting alcohol production and consumption. What were we thinking?
But its a great example of how civil disobedience works.
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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #207 on: May 04, 2011, 11:53:34 PM »
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I reported it because AO isn't a warez trading post, never was and never should be.
Good for you.  
It's important to be consistant and stick up for your beliefs.
If you believe that illegally acquiring software is wrong, it's important to support that belief...

Hey....
What's this search feature on this forum I've found?  :confused:

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Actually, I seem to have gotten that confused with the amiga developer cd. GAAH! This is offtopic, but I noticed that natami has a copy of the rkm manuals. Is that legal? I always wanted a digital version, but I don't want to steal it. I know other sites have it, but I always thought they pirated it.
Who cares? Grab it and use it.        

Hmmm....  :roflmao:

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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #208 on: May 04, 2011, 11:54:31 PM »
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Does it make sense to try and affect change in copyright law by spamming drive-by diarrhea on the forum?

You're definitely one step away from the ignore list (and I've never done that to anyone here).
If you can't be civil, I have no use for you.
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Re: Distribution Licence For Workbench...
« Reply #209 on: May 04, 2011, 11:55:16 PM »
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You're definitely one step away from the ignore list (and I've never done that to anyone here).
If you can't be civil, I have no use for you.


Please ignore me. I could fucking care less.