Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready

[mingle]

I'd love to give it a go, but I can't seem to download it...

I get part-way through the download, then it quits... Tried 3 times now.

Firefox 3.6.17 on XP...

Mike.

[XDelusion]

You might want to try a download manager. They help big time with slow downloads that cancel out all the time.

[haywirepc]

To those having trouble with hardware and AROS. I've posted this many many times...
 
Back in the day linux was very much like AROS is now. If you really wanted a linux computer,you had to hand pick components like network cards, sound cards and video cards due to the limited amount of drivers available at the time. Just about any motherboard and intel or amd processor would work. AROS is alot like that now.
 
If you really want to have an aros box that works fantastic, you have to have a few things that I would reccomend.
 
1) Any intel or amd based computer with 3 pci slots or 2 pci slots and an agp slot.
2) 3 supported cards, one for network, one for sound, one for video that you put into the computer you want to use.
 
I use a nvidia fx550, a soundblaster live and an intelpro 100 net card.
 
These 3 cards will cost you about 20-30$ each (or less!) on ebay. They are listed on the aros hardware list as directly supported. If you use supported hardware listed, AROS will install and run FANTASTIC on just about any computer, with sound, network and accellerated video all working right from initial installation, with very little tweaking.
 
No it will not work out of the box on many pc's without using supported components. All generic pcs use different chipsets, components, sound card chips and so on. There is NO WAY that the limited aros developers can create drivers for every pc under the sun.
 
I think spending 50 or 60 bucks on supported pci or agp video cards, a network card and a sblive soundcard can save you heaps of hair pulling.
In my view its a very small price to pay, and I don't think its asking too much to make users select from the supported hardware list.
 
To be clear, I've used the same component cards on 3 different pcs, first a 1400mhz gateway pc, then a 2ghz dell pc, and finally, a 3ghz dell.
AROS works great on EVERY computer I've tried it on, so long as I could install the supported components.
 
Trust me, its really worth a couple of bucks to get the supported components and it will still be the least expensive NG amiga you can get, and in my view the best of the available flavors, but then I'm biased.
 
There is work being done so more laptops can be supported, but for desktop pc's almost any desktop pc can take components AROS directly supports.
 
Steven

[paolone]

Now lets get on to Networking, and cruising the Net, once again utter failure. ( I don't see why all Amiga programmers have to stick with the old Amiga protocol, AFTER ALL MOST COMPUTER SYSTEMS HAVE PROGRESSED WHERE SETTING UP A NETWORK IS JUST ABOUT AUTOMATIC) once again, the sound, networking REALLY SUCK AND ROT. I have tried to adjust this for two days now this weekend, no joy.

Ok, if you can play your games with no sound and really don't like the internet on some systems, then this isn't for you.

So you're basically evaluating AROS on unsupported hardware, or on supported hardware you aren't able to configure. I don't know exactly what makes your opinion worth a single read.

[phoenixkonsole]

Hmm, sorry for advertising but this is a machine exclusively build to run AROS. http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm
 
Take MacOS X as "big" example... there you can't use everything too.
So AROS isn't bad. If you wan't it you can build a compatible PC or if you don't wan't to spend the time/work and are fine to pay for the service you could visit vesalia. Don't forget the imica which is an mini itx machine.
 
Stephen (imica) has spend a lot money too. And to be honest it is better to give money to AROS promotors and pushers imo.
 
Building it by an local store is also possible.. but the money is lost in the PC-world. Those dealers give a sh***t on AROS or Amiga... so no win there for us.
 
I am proud that more people are ready to test AROS (in any form IcAROS/Aspire/Broadway/nightly)
 
BTW: At some point we will have working USB-Wifi... wait and if you like buy one.
 
One thing more:
I don't believe that installing a (3rd Party) Network driver in Windows takes less mouse-clicks than choosing a device from AROS Network-prefs with a double click... sorry mate.
 
See this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tow0nHIbR38&feature=relmfu
 
Click,2xclick, click done. No restart.
 
Now try this with Windows and your Mainboard driver CD.
 
Autostart(wait)->choose what to install/ click on install ->agreee -> ok-> yes you damn PC, please reboot -> reboot -> done.
 
So what is bad about AROS?
 
One thing about Broadway:
It is preconfigured for AresOne and Imica means:
No configuration of Network or sound is needed.

[ncafferkey]

@smerf

You seem to know all the details of your systems' CPUs, but strangely nothing about their network chipsets. If you could tell us what they are, we could tell you what drivers you need to use. It's unlikely that none of them have a supported NIC.

Also, you suggest that AROS should support all modern components as if it was just a matter of adding a line to a config file for each. Linux needs hundreds of programmers to achieve the level of driver support it has. You might be surprised to hear that we don't have that many driver programmers.

[smerf]

@smerf

You seem to know all the details of your systems' CPUs, but strangely nothing about their network chipsets. If you could tell us what they are, we could tell you what drivers you need to use. It's unlikely that none of them have a supported NIC.

Also, you suggest that AROS should support all modern components as if it was just a matter of adding a line to a config file for each. Linux needs hundreds of programmers to achieve the level of driver support it has. You might be surprised to hear that we don't have that many driver programmers.

Hi,

Understand what you are saying.

Really should take into consideration that the AROS people are really trying hard to get this system going, sometimes being around Linux with it's millions of supporters makes you forget that the AROS people are really doing an excellent job. I am working on my AMD 3700+ computer now, reinstalling it in another case for an experimental Dos computer, will look into putting parts in there that are AROS capable.

Believe it or not I am really excited about Broadway, from what I see on the screen it looks exciting, now if I can get the sound and networking going, I may leave this computer set up with AROS. I guess what happened was I really got into this after seeing it on you tube. Got really disappointed when it wouldn't work with my newer systems. You know it is like that TV commercial,

I WANT MY AROS, AND I WANT IT NOW

Accept my apologies, haven't given up, will try to get right hardware. What I really need is probably peace and quiet when I work on this system, then settling down and concentrating on what I am doing.

Lets face it I have gotten lazy, Ubuntu just about set up everything for you automatically, and Windows sets up everything automatically and then crashes.

Once again accept my apologies.

smerf

[smerf]

@ncafferkey (darn can you make it harder to spell)

Hi,

Sorry, I mess around with so many computers and OS systems each day that you are definitely right. I will have to find my books and look up at what kind of networking cards they have. Once again networking on most Linux systems and networking on Windows systems (XP, Vista, and 7) are automatic. Don't really have to know what type of nics they are using. I am going to have to go back to old school and read on what they really have.

smerf