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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2011, 06:14:14 AM »
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If they or whomever had and they felt they could prove this in a court of law then I'm pretty sure they would have taken action long ago to shut down such sites.


If this is the whole reason for the discussion, I´d say with a lot of respect: "you guys are retarded."
 

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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2011, 06:23:37 AM »
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I didn't read the whole thread but I read the point Franko made and he does have a point in American Copyright Law.

While a copyright exists for anything a person creates they must also protect that copyright to maintain it.  Some famous examples:


No, you don't. You're thinking about trademarks. Trademarks must be defended to remain valid, copyrights don't.
 

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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2011, 06:36:59 AM »
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Frankly Franko, they can't counter they argument that AOS is an abandoned work. There is no ownership claimed for this product until three years after the copyright holder was dissolved.
Bloodline's right. It's a tainted property and by all rights its copyrights should not be valid.


Copyright doesn't work like that. *IF* the rights were never legally transferred, they belong to Commodore's successors-in-interest, which would be either anyone Commodore owed money or Commodore's shareholders. Sorting out who would be difficult, and frankly the only way it would happen would be if Amiga Inc. sues someone and that someone challenges the legality of their ownership claims, or if a possible successor makes a claim.

However, any copying without a valid license is still copyright infringement - the only thing that changes is how likely it is you'll get sued. For trademarks the issue is murkier, as ownership of trademarks is at least in part defined by use and whether or not someone asserts ownership.

But honestly, at this point, who cares? The ROM's are easy to obtain, and we have AROS rapidly becoming a viable replacement on classics. And regardless of any rights granted or not to Hyperion, as long as no possible other owner challenges them, they're in the clear, and they do certainly own the rights to any parts *they* have developed unless they have signed contrracts to the contrary.

Unless you're planning on suing Cloanto or Hyperion, or want to try to challenge the Amiga trademark, whether or not Amiga Inc. owns the rights is pretty much irrelevant.
 

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Raspberry and peanut butter biscuits
« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2011, 07:21:27 AM »
Ingredients:

  • 100g butter, softened, plus extra for greasing (this is optional)
  • 250g crunchy peanut butter
  • 250g light soft brown sugar
  • 1 large egg
  • a few drops of vanilla
  • 125g oats
  • 90g dried raspberries
  • 125g plain flour
  • 1tsp bicarb soda
Method:

  • Preheat the oven to 160 degrees C. Cut baking paper to fit 3 baking trays.
  • Beat the softened butter and peanut butter in a bowl with a wooden spoon. Add sugar and beat until well mixed.
  • Ceack the egg into a bowl and whisk with a fork. Add vanilla with the wooden spoon. Add the oats and raspberries to the mixture, sift over the trays, spacing slightly apart, and bake for 18-20 minutes until light golden. Remove from the oven. Leave to firm up on their trays for a few minutes, then transfer to wire racks to cool completely.
Tip: Best to eat biscuits while still warm.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2011, 08:04:14 AM »
In the end, it doesn't matter a jot as to the opinion of this thread. Unless someone makes a mint, using the name of, ip of etc, nothing is provable. The law is applied during judgment of the case before the bar and no where else. Regardless of any previous judgments. No one is the owner of anything until that moment and even then, it can be disputed immediately judgment is passed.  

Owner of Amiga OS its IP its name = Who's the man with the cash, and if the price is right, its someone else's cash tomorrow. Cash Cow. Milk it!.

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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2011, 08:22:04 AM »
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No, you don't. You're thinking about trademarks. Trademarks must be defended to remain valid, copyrights don't.


Which is why I say anyone at this point can use the old original Amiga ticker to whatever they like.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2011, 04:30:06 PM »
All very valid points. Thank you all for reminding me how intensely pointless all this is.
Perhaps Ben Hermans and Barry Altman are the only people who still take this trademark seriously.
I actually wish them both the best of luck.
And we do still have alternatives.

BTW - Kesa, thanks for the recipe.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2011, 04:46:54 PM »
@ Iggy

Oooh... Second time in 24 hours that I've nicked your medal (Gloat... Gloat...)... :D

Just wondering you've been doing a lost of posting over recent times, have you retired like meself and also got way too much time on your hands... ;)
 

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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2011, 06:33:59 PM »
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@ Iggy

Oooh... Second time in 24 hours that I've nicked your medal (Gloat... Gloat...)... :D

Just wondering you've been doing a lost of posting over recent times, have you retired like meself and also got way too much time on your hands... ;)

No, just spending too much time on the internets (at least according to the wife).
My recent spike in posts is primarily due to some ridiculous crap Dave Haynie has once again been spouting.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #53 on: April 27, 2011, 07:19:04 PM »
@Iggy

Think of it this way.... if Haynie's BS is true then MorphOS is the true Amiga OS. ;)

One could further mash the heads of the Blind Hyperion Followers by digging up that old post where one of the Friedens stated that OS4 contains little to none of the Commodore source.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #54 on: April 27, 2011, 09:35:53 PM »
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@Iggy

Think of it this way.... if Haynie's BS is true then MorphOS is the true Amiga OS. ;)

One could further mash the heads of the Blind Hyperion Followers by digging up that old post where one of the Friedens stated that OS4 contains little to none of the Commodore source.


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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #55 on: April 27, 2011, 09:40:04 PM »
Quote from: nicholas;633957
@Iggy

Think of it this way.... if Haynie's BS is true then MorphOS is the true Amiga OS. ;)

One could further mash the heads of the Blind Hyperion Followers by digging up that old post where one of the Friedens stated that OS4 contains little to none of the Commodore source.

No Nicholas, we're not currrrsed. :)
But that quote from one of the brothers is telling.
How useful would the source code be?

Thanks for reminding of that comment. I was letting Haynie's oft repeated slur get to me. Even Ben Hermans no longer posts crap like that.

AmigaDave's been following me around to different forum trying to get me to temper my posts. I shouldn't get combative like this. We're actually seeing a lot more cross-platform respect and cooperation.

Have you seen the warning Gunnar has posted on the Natami site?
Maybe we should all adopt a similar policy.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #56 on: April 27, 2011, 10:26:58 PM »
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@Iggy

Think of it this way.... if Haynie's BS is true then MorphOS is the true Amiga OS. ;)

One could further mash the heads of the Blind Hyperion Followers by digging up that old post where one of the Friedens stated that OS4 contains little to none of the Commodore source.
You'll need to search ann.lu since that is where I asked the question and got the response :)

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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #57 on: April 27, 2011, 10:55:51 PM »
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But that quote from one of the brothers is telling.
How useful would the source code be?

Source code is the ultimate spec. If you have the source, you can write a better replacement than anybody else. It doesn´t have to be in your results, but having access to the sources makes a big difference!
 

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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #58 on: April 27, 2011, 11:57:41 PM »
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You'll need to search ann.lu since that is where I asked the question and got the response :)



It's a pitty that the the ANN.lu archive is in such bad shape though. No search feature and most (99.9%) of all comments are gone.
 

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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #59 from previous page: April 28, 2011, 12:57:19 AM »
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Source code is the ultimate spec. If you have the source, you can write a better replacement than anybody else. It doesn´t have to be in your results, but having access to the sources makes a big difference!

I can see your point. But with access to the 3.1 source Hyperion's product isn't superior to MorphOS. The additional time spent improving MorphOS seems to have given it an edge.
"Not making any hard and fast rules means that the moderators can use their good judgment in moderation, and we think the results speak for themselves." - Amiga.org, terms of service

"You, got to stem the evil tide, and keep it on the the inside" - Rogers Waters

"God was never on your side" - Lemmy

Amiga! "Our appeal has become more selective"