Evert Carton leaves Hyperion

[dammy]

"San Diego-based Gateway will retain ownership of all Amiga patents acquired when it purchased the bankrupt company. "

I think thats pretty clear, amino bought the name and amiga.com website, not the patents or ip.

Steven

The only thing Acer has is the hardware patents which the vast majority (if not all) have expired.  Trademarks, logos, copyrights went to Amiga Inc along with Amiga inventory.

[nicholas]

Trademarks, logos, copyrights went to Amiga Inc along with Amiga inventory.

Your evidence for this is?

[bloodline]

Wait, so Gateway still owns all the patents and intellectual property related to the Amiga? But Amiga, Inc just owns the "Amiga name" and website?

Fuckkkkk. Cause that means Acer now owns all the Amiga patents and ip since they own Gateway. My dreams of winning the lotto, buying out Amiga, Inc, kicking Bill McEwen to the curb and resurrecting the classic hardware/OS and actually give it back to the people just went down the drain.

Amiga patents are worthless now. As Dammy has pointed out, most have expired or relate to dead technology.

Amiga patents are as relevant to the computer industry as Steam Engine patents are to the aviation industry

[Iggy]

The only thing Acer has is the hardware patents which the vast majority (if not all) have expired.  Trademarks, logos, copyrights went to Amiga Inc along with Amiga inventory.

Actually, the article while informative (sort of) still gives us no clear idea who owns the OS.
It clearly does not mention anything other than trademarks being transferred to Amino. and it only mentions patents as being retained by Gasteway.
This leaves the status of the OS as an unknown.
And, as I've mentioned before, Amiga Inc. has never produced any documentation proving they own the OS.


BTW - I too am sorry about the off topic comments (although they are more relevant than alternative uses for mint jelly).

[dammy]

Your evidence for this is?

That was announced back when Amiga Inc bought (in adition, licenses for Amiga patents) Amiga from GW (now Acer). What was that, 11 years ago?

[dammy]

Actually, the article while informative (sort of) still gives us no clear idea who owns the OS.
It clearly does not mention anything other than trademarks being transferred to Amino. and it only mentions patents as being retained by Gasteway.
This leaves the status of the OS as an unknown.
And, as I've mentioned before, Amiga Inc. has never produced any documentation proving they own the OS.

I doubt they would since that would be apart of their purchase and license agreement with Gateway.  I doubt they would make that public if they didn't have to.  OS 3.1 and earlier is AI's.  There would be zero reason for GW/Acer to want to keep it, it was badly outdated even then.

[number6]

Actually, the article while informative (sort of) still gives us no clear idea who owns the OS.
It clearly does not mention anything other than trademarks being transferred to Amino. and it only mentions patents as being retained by Gasteway.
This leaves the status of the OS as an unknown.
And, as I've mentioned before, Amiga Inc. has never produced any documentation proving they own the OS.

Although a matter of curiosity for most, they could/would not supply proof to developers who required that proof either.

Jens Schoenfeld is one example from April 2007:

"Bill McEwen, who hasn't been able to give any proof of ownership of the classic Amiga OS in the past 20 months, who wanted to send me contracts "by the end of the week" (that was in february),"

This is a pretty typical response btw.

Also there is a war going on between John Grzymala, Chief Financial Officer and Controller of Hakia, Inc . and also  acting on behalf of the Kouri Family Trust vs McEwen, and that should surely be obvious to all at this point, since Itec is the first secured creditor of Amiga Inc.
 
"Garry: Itec has been an investor in Amiga since the purchase of the assets from Gateway. It remains an investor today. Itec is also the Senior (first place) Secured Creditor of Amiga Inc."

That complicates the speculation, since even if you determine Amiga Inc. owns something, then you have to discover which entity within Amiga Inc. you are talking about.

Oh the irony of the Pluritas site (supposedly selling the AI assets) being listed by google as "compromised". They touched Amiga Inc., and compromise should be expected. Heh.

#6

[Iggy]

Although a matter of curiosity for most, they could/would not supply proof to developers who required that proof either.

Jens Schoenfeld is one example from April 2007:

"Bill McEwen, who hasn't been able to give any proof of ownership of the classic Amiga OS in the past 20 months, who wanted to send me contracts "by the end of the week" (that was in february),"

This is a pretty typical response btw.

Also there is a war going on between John Grzymala, Chief Financial Officer and Controller of Hakia, Inc . and also  acting on behalf of the Kouri Family Trust vs McEwen, and that should surely be obvious to all at this point, since Itec is the first secured creditor of Amiga Inc.
 
"Garry: Itec has been an investor in Amiga since the purchase of the assets from Gateway. It remains an investor today. Itec is also the Senior (first place) Secured Creditor of Amiga Inc."

That complicates the speculation, since even if you determine Amiga Inc. owns something, then you have to discover which entity within Amiga Inc. you are talking about.

Oh the irony of the Pluritas site (supposedly selling the AI assets) being listed by google as "compromised". They touched Amiga Inc., and compromise should be expected. Heh.

#6

Thanks 6,
This tends to reinforce my doubts that AInc. actual owns the property. And as far as licenses for patents are concerned, the OS is not patented it is a property.

The patents are irrelevant as they have expired and AInc has never offered proof of the contention that they licensed these either.

And does anyone know what Pluritas is selling? The only asset I am 100% sure of (outside of the trademarks) is AmigaDE, and that is not a particularly valuable asset.

[Franko]

There's a very simple way to find out who actually own the rights to Amiga kickstart/OS etc...

Put the WorkBench disk images and the KickStart ROM image files up on a website for free download...

Then simply wait for whomever claims to own them to take the appropriate legal action and actually pursue it all the way to a court of law...

I've already done this and not once did I get a genuine complaint from anyone claiming to own the Kickstart ROM Images or WorkBench Disk Sets, the only complaints I got were from the dickhead copyright mafia on forums such as this screaming blue murder about piracy... :lol:

I'd personally bet my house on the fact that even if someone emerged from the shadows claiming to own the Copyright/IP on these things and they were challenged in a court of law that none of the claims would either be able to be proven nor have any legal basis on which to stand...

Trouble is certain folks in Amigaland are nothing but a bunch of big fearties who cower like chickens when it comes to proving and putting an end to all this BS/ speculation & myths surrounding just who has a legal claim to what when it comes to the Amiga...

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Ahh... so "Evert Carton" really means "Overthrow the Eggbox"...

I'm all for that... never liked them Xbox thingies anyway...

Oh bunch of locals...
Evert is a Dutch name. It means Boar-heart (wild boars were the lions of pre-roman times, as these creatures were big and verocious)

[Franko]

Oh bunch of locals...
Evert is a Dutch name. It means Boar-heart (wild boars were the lions of pre-roman times, as these creatures were big and verocious)

Ahh... So Fatancienthornedhairypig Carboardboxmaker is in fact the actual person/thing who/what has retarded from Hyperactivesugarplumfairy...

(It's all doubledutch too me... )

(ooohhh... I've just nicked Iggy's medal... )

[Iggy]

There's a very simple way to find out who actually own the rights to Amiga kickstart/OS etc...

Put the WorkBench disk images and the KickStart ROM image files up on a website for free download...

Then simply wait for whomever claims to own them to take the appropriate legal action and actually pursue it all the way to a court of law...

I've already done this and not once did I get a genuine complaint from anyone claiming to own the Kickstart ROM Images or WorkBench Disk Sets, the only complaints I got were from the dickhead copyright mafia on forums such as this screaming blue murder about piracy... :lol:

I'd personally bet my house on the fact that even if someone emerged from the shadows claiming to own the Copyright/IP on these things and they were challenged in a court of law that none of the claims would either be able to be proven nor have any legal basis on which to stand...

Trouble is certain folks in Amigaland are nothing but a bunch of big fearties who cower like chickens when it comes to proving and putting an end to all this BS/ speculation & myths surrounding just who has a legal claim to what when it comes to the Amiga...

Brilliant idea Franko.
It would require someone willing to stand up to a legal challenge, but it could help resolve this matter.
This idea deserves a thread of its own, possibly sticky.

Moved further posts to:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=633719#post633719

[number6]

Thanks 6,
This tends to reinforce my doubts that AInc. actual owns the property. And as far as licenses for patents are concerned, the OS is not patented it is a property.

The patents are irrelevant as they have expired and AInc has never offered proof of the contention that they licensed these either.

And does anyone know what Pluritas is selling? The only asset I am 100% sure of (outside of the trademarks) is AmigaDE, and that is not a particularly valuable asset.

Looking at the original press release, one could conclude that is the one item they intended to keep working on.

"Amiga Inc., who is also actively seeking investment capital to fund the ongoing development of their enabling technologies"

Source

If that's the case, then at the time they surely thought they had more to sell than that, imo.

btw, I would be shocked if you could contact Pluritas and just get your answer as to what is offered.
More likely you would be asked to supply a lot of information first.

#6

[runequester]

Looking at the original press release, one could conclude that is the one item they intended to keep working on.

"Amiga Inc., who is also actively seeking investment capital to fund the ongoing development of their enabling technologies"

Source

If that's the case, then at the time they surely thought they had more to sell than that, imo.

btw, I would be shocked if you could contact Pluritas and just get your answer as to what is offered.
More likely you would be asked to supply a lot of information first.

#6

It seems amiga inc hasn't been averse to some debt dodging in the past, so who knows.

Of course, there may also be a disconnect between what they think they own, and what they actually do own. As long as nobody challenges them on it, (and who would?) all is peachy for them.

[nicholas]

That was announced back when Amiga Inc bought (in adition, licenses for Amiga patents) Amiga from GW (now Acer). What was that, 11 years ago?

No, what was announced was that Amino were granted a licence by Gateway to use the trademarks.

I look forward to the cease and desist letters Commodore   Amiga (Iran) will no doubt receive from Amino when they finally get around to hosting all variants of the Kickstart and Workbench for free download.......

[Franko]

Brilliant idea Franko.
It would require someone willing to stand up to a legal challenge, but it could help resolve this matter.
This idea deserves a thread of its own, possibly sticky.

I'm up for it...

Never had anyone (including the British Government) that has challenged me on something "legal" and who didn't back down before it went to court cos they knew they didn't have a leg to stand on...

Trouble is for such a thing to get noticed properly you need the copyright mafia to stop their pathetic whining and demand that any links to my site be removed cos it may damage Amiga.org...

It needs as much exposure as possible for anyone who thinks they can genuinely claim to own these rights to notice it and take the appropriate action if they think they can prove it legally...

It's the whiners/ know alls and crapbags that need to keep their gobs shut and then maybe, just maybe the good folks of Amigaland can put an end to all this nonsense once and for all...