Evert Carton leaves Hyperion

[jorkany]

So let me get this right now... Everad Cartoon Maker The 3rd or whatever he/she/it or whats'is'name is has retarded from Hyperion for whom he/she/it/what worked for a wee while but never owned or used an Amiga or had any interest in the Amiga... :confused:

So what did Englbert Carboardboxpacker actually do at Hypreion perhaps he/she/it/what was in charge of recycling packaging or summit, or maybe he/she/it/what was the Janitor or even the Janitors cat...

Evert was the sales manager for quite some time. Keep in mind that Hyperion was a game republishing company for a few years before they got involved with OS4.

[Franko]

Evert was the sales manager for quite some time. Keep in mind that Hyperion was a game republishing company for a few years before they got involved with OS4.

and...

What's this got to do the price of lumbago in the darkest reaches of southern Peckham... :confused:

I'd never even heard of Evlin Cagagoogoo before this thread appeared, so what's all the fuss about is he/she/it/what gawd or something... :confused:

[jorkany]

and...

What's this got to do the price of lumbago in the darkest reaches of southern Peckham... :confused:

I'd never even heard of Evlin Cagagoogoo before this thread appeared, so what's all the fuss about is he/she/it/what gawd or something... :confused:

Because Evert represented somewhere from 25% - 50% of Hyperion. Also, he was a co-founder of Hyperion, the other founder being Ben Hermans.

It's also a little strange that he would decide to publicly announce he was leaving after having been pretty much out of the loop for the last few years. If most didn't know who he was and that he worked at Hyperion, then why even bring it up now?

[Darrin]

Because Evert represented somewhere from 25% - 50% of Hyperion. Also, he was a co-founder of Hyperion, the other founder being Ben Hermans.

It's also a little strange that he would decide to publicly announce he was leaving after having been pretty much out of the loop for the last few years. If most didn't know who he was and that he worked at Hyperion, then why even bring it up now?

Why not bring it up?  The chap wanted to say "goodbye" and that's it.  I bet he wishes he hadn't bothered now.

[Karlos]

Why not bring it up?  The chap wanted to say "goodbye" and that's it.  I bet he wishes he hadn't bothered now.

I have to admit, it seems folks are having a field day with this. I could understand it if it were the case that Hyperion Entertainment had turned round and said "so long and thanks for all the fish" but that's not what has happened. Well, at least not yet anyway though I'm sure some folk still live in hope.

[Fats]

You still doing OS4 and AROS development?

That and I am trying to get up to speed with MorphOS also. regina should be my first any-amiga project.

greets,
Staf.

[Darrin]

I have to admit, it seems folks are having a field day with this. I could understand it if it were the case that Hyperion Entertainment had turned round and said "so long and thanks for all the fish" but that's not what has happened. Well, at least not yet anyway though I'm sure some folk still live in hope.

Yep, some have been adding 2 plus 2 to make 5 while others have come up with conspiracy theories that would make Oliver Stone shiver.  

[Iggy]

Yep, some have been adding 2 plus 2 to make 5 while others have come up with conspiracy theories that would make Oliver Stone shiver.  

There's no real conspiracy here. Just a lot of BS. Bill MCEwen and Hyperion have managed to lay claim to ownership of AmigaOS and have many of you convinced that this is a valid claim.
As AmigaInc. licensed trademarks from Gateway, not intellectual property this claim is patently false.
Gateway clearly stated that they continued to own said properties.
Again, AInc is a licensee of trademarks NOT the owner of any of the intellectual properties involved in the original Amigas.

This is not a conspiracy, it is an act of fraud.

[Kesa]

There's no real conspiracy here. Just a lot of BS. Bill MCEwen and Hyperion have managed to lay claim to ownership of AmigaOS and have many of you convinced that this is a valid claim.
As AmigaInc. licensed trademarks from Gateway, not intellectual property this claim is patently false.
Gateway clearly stated that they continued to own said properties.
Again, AInc is a licensee of trademarks NOT the owner of any of the intellectual properties involved in the original Amigas.

This is not a conspiracy, it is an act of fraud.

So if i understand this correctly AmigaInc don't actually own Amiga but Gateway does? So hypothetically if someone wanted to buy Amiga with everything included who would be the sellers? :confused:

[Darrin]

There's no real conspiracy here. Just a lot of BS. Bill MCEwen and Hyperion have managed to lay claim to ownership of AmigaOS and have many of you convinced that this is a valid claim.
As AmigaInc. licensed trademarks from Gateway, not intellectual property this claim is patently false.
Gateway clearly stated that they continued to own said properties.
Again, AInc is a licensee of trademarks NOT the owner of any of the intellectual properties involved in the original Amigas.

This is not a conspiracy, it is an act of fraud.

So is there any reason why a certain Judge couldn't work this all out?  I mean, any other reason other than you being wrong that is?

[Franko]

Did they throw a retirement party for Everad Constantanople and did he/she/it/what get nice wee carriage clock or watch to remind he/she/it/what about all that time he/she/it/what will have now to do nothing until he/she/it/what kicks the bucket...

[haywirepc]

"There's no real conspiracy here. Just a lot of BS. Bill MCEwen and Hyperion have managed to lay claim to ownership of AmigaOS and have many of you convinced that this is a valid claim. As AmigaInc. licensed trademarks from Gateway, not intellectual property this claim is patently false. Gateway clearly stated that they continued to own said properties.
Again, AInc is a licensee of trademarks NOT the owner of any of the intellectual properties involved in the original Amigas."
 
This is one of the major reasons why anyone claiming to own amiga ip or amiga os especially is a flat out fraud. Gateway never released the ownership of amiga ip, simply liscenced its use to other parties.
 
This is why I say anyone who wants to distribute amiga os roms, or amiga os disks even, is free to do so. Gateway could care less.
 
Silly Billy and every other amiga grave robber would like you to think differently, but that is fraud, not real. They always play this game when someone asks them to prove ownership of amiga ip like "I won't prove I do own it, you prove I don't." Its ridiculous.
 
In regard to Evert, Good luck with all your future endeavors. Maybe he'll go back to Linux ports?

Steven

[Iggy]

So is there any reason why a certain Judge couldn't work this all out?  I mean, any other reason other than you being wrong that is?

So Darrin, why do you think Amiga Inc. decided to forgo a judges decision and agree to a settlement with Hyperion?
Because it was mutually beneficial to both of them. Bill gets to continue to pretend that he owns something (granting licenses to something that he himself was only a licensee of).
And Hyperion solidifies its claim to the development of AOS by mutually agreeing that AInc. owns 3.1.

But where is the original transfer of that property to AInc?
Simple, it doesn't exist.
Prove me wrong.
You can't. Amiga Inc is a sham. It owns nothing. The only thing it could have acquired from past corporations is what Amino originally purchased, a license to use a trademark.

[Iggy]

"There's no real conspiracy here. Just a lot of BS. Bill MCEwen and Hyperion have managed to lay claim to ownership of AmigaOS and have many of you convinced that this is a valid claim. As AmigaInc. licensed trademarks from Gateway, not intellectual property this claim is patently false. Gateway clearly stated that they continued to own said properties.
Again, AInc is a licensee of trademarks NOT the owner of any of the intellectual properties involved in the original Amigas."
 
This is one of the major reasons why anyone claiming to own amiga ip or amiga os especially is a flat out fraud. Gateway never released the ownership of amiga ip, simply liscenced its use to other parties.
 
This is why I say anyone who wants to distribute amiga os roms, or amiga os disks even, is free to do so. Gateway could care less.
 
Silly Billy and every other amiga grave robber would like you to think differently, but that is fraud, not real. They always play this game when someone asks them to prove ownership of amiga ip like "I won't prove I do own it, you prove I don't." Its ridiculous.
 
In regard to Evert, Good luck with all your future endeavors. Maybe he'll go back to Linux ports?

Steven

Thanks Steven,
For once we agree on something. And you're absolutely right. No one currently using the Amiga name actually owns anything but the right to use a trademark, because the company that bought the assets originally did not transfer them. They merly made a few licensing agreements on the trademarks.
That's what Bill owns, a company callew Amiga Inc that can use that trademark.
I'm not even sure he's legally allowed to transfer that right.

And he certainly isn't going to show any of us the original documents.

Frankly, I consider Bill McEwen to be a corporate necrophiliac.

[Darrin]

So Darrin, why do you think Amiga Inc. decided to forgo a judges decision and agree to a settlement with Hyperion?
Because it was mutually beneficial to both of them. Bill gets to continue to pretend that he owns something (granting licenses to something that he himself was only a licensee of).
And Hyperion solidifies its claim to the development of AOS by mutually agreeing that AInc. owns 3.1.

But where is the original transfer of that property to AInc?
Simple, it doesn't exist.
Prove me wrong.
You can't. Amiga Inc is a sham. It owns nothing. The only thing it could have acquired from past corporations is what Amino originally purchased, a license to use a trademark.

I have no idea and I don't have to prove anything.  I also think your opinions (which is all they are) hold any water.  If you're so right then why doesn't someone else just buy the rights from Gateway?

[Franko]

Hmmm... this thread was supposed to be about poor wee Everton Carbuncles retirement from he/her/its/whats job or whatever at Hyperactive... :confused:

So how did the subject get onto AmigaSTIncK and copymerights/IPees and all that malarky !!!

It's dark in here... I'm going to hard boil one of me chocolate easter eggs... now where did I leave those matches...