An Open Letter to Dave Haynie

[desiv]

Again, I'm not the one asking the question.

Ah!
THAT Question..  Now I get it..  :hammer:
I can be a bit slow, but only on days whose names end in "y."

desiv

[ferrellsl]

Couple of things:

• I have better things to do than to try locate (working) email address of some random guy. Say like fix & port PFS3.
• Dave didn't make his accusations in private, nor is this the first time he's making the accusation.
• You have a weird definition for childish and lame. What should be inferred from that?

Oh, so now Dave's just some "random" guy?!  I thought he was the guy you addressed your open tirade to.  Doesn't sound all that random to me, especially since you named him in your "letter".

And yeah, for a guy whose so busy working on new file systems you certainly have enough time on your hands to manufacture some drama for the trolls on this site.

So you're the one who needs to go back to the dictionary and check up on a few words.  Check out the definitions for "random" and "childish".

[eb15]

I don't see why anyone on this bboard, should expect someone posting on another bboard in response to yet someone else's questions to respond to a demand for a response given on this bboard, especially when its all couched in such vague terms from all sides.  But that's just my opinion, and its neither here nor there, and I really don't care one way or the other at this time....

[Piru]

Oh, so now Dave's just some "random" guy?!

Yes. A guy who I've never had any direct dealings with. I don't know his contact details, nor was quick googling helpful. Thus: random.

As for the rest of your rant: You need to relax.

[Andre.Siegel]

If you know these accusations that are being made are false then why don't you post the proof here and put an end to this as neither the accused or the accuser seem willing to supply any answers...

It is "innocent until proven guilty" and NOT "guilty until proven innocent."

[Piru]

Did the email address from the link I gave you in this thread not work?

Since Dave already responded I don't see much point in harassing him with further emails now.

[desiv]

It is "innocent until proven guilty" and NOT "guilty until proven innocent."

Actually, that's for criminal cases...
Frequently, in non-criminal cases, people do have to prove that they "did not say" or "did not copy" rather than other people proving that they did..

At least in the U.S., where our legal system is second to none.

desiv
(Note:  in the above, "none" is a generic reference implying all other legal systems and not meant to be implied as not any legal systems...  any statements made cannot be interpreted as my own.  IANAL  YMMV  TTYL)

[Franko]

It is "innocent until proven guilty" and NOT "guilty until proven innocent."

Not where I live it isn't...

They'll have you hung, drawn & quartered before they even realise that you were the victim and not the perpetrator round these parts...

Anyway we're all guilty of something or other, it's just down to bad luck if you get caught...

[Andre.Siegel]

No, as I said in my earlier post, Piru needs to take it up with Dave personally instead of inviting people like you into getting involved and throwing around your opinion about matters that don't involve you.

Errr, you will find my name on the MorphOS Team website... The name I use on amiga.org is not an alias.

And I find it really lame that Piru can be one of the lead MOS programmers but he finds it impossible to locate Dave's email address.  What should be inferred from that?

Again, Mr. Haynie is the person who dragged his allegations into the public eye... Repeatedly. How could anyone possibly deny another person to defend him himself in public after he was accused in public?

Pretty childish behavior.....he can't find the guy's email address to contact him so he just smears his name all over the Amiga.org.....lame, very lame.

How lame is it of Mr. Haynie to smear the name of the MorphOS developers all over ANN, amiga.org, amigaworld.net and MooBunny for years and years and years?

[mingle]

This thread is so, so petty - I just had to add another comment :-)

You really need to take a few steps back and stop being the thin-skinned drama-queens that you showing yourselves to be...

So someone may have said you appropriated someone else's code?

Grow a set and toughen-up...

[Piru]

So someone may have said you appropriated someone else's code?

Grow a set and toughen-up...

I don't know where you're coming from but around here claiming that is about the worst kind of insult you can make. Claiming you stole someone else's work without any kind of attribution is yelling bloody murder. This has been going on for 10 years now, and still no-one has cared to point a shred of evidence to back these claims up.

[mingle]

Oh yeah, I've just made an accusation about you...

Please feel free to post an 'open letter' in an online hobby-forum and demand that I prove my allegations - that you are indeed thin-skinned drama-queens...

FFS...

[takemehomegrandma]

Harry,

Much as I respect you and your work on MorphOS, this kind of thing is just a waste of time.   Let's not piss off one of the few Amiga legends who still bothers to maintain an interest in Amiga developments.

The MorphOS 2.7 *achievement*, and the *efforts* behind it, is nothing short of *monumental*. No-one with any kind of knowledge of its progress and developments in the past could possibly claim otherwise.

The total work put into it, and the results thereof, goes far, far beyond *any* version of the original Amiga OS, as well as AROS and OS4. It's simply unmatched.

Nobody is expecting *everyone* to like it or take it to their hearts, that simply won't happen, and it's not what is the problem here. But people who claim it's stolen is *not only* belittling the 12 years of *hard and clever work* put into the thing by many, many prominent Amiga people, they are also *discrediting the people* behind it and slandering them in a way that at least is very unethical, or maybe even criminal, depending a little of how expensive your lawyer is that you will use for your lawsuit.

The fact that Ben Hermans/Hyperion had a habbit of doing this in the past, doesn't make it right. *There are no reasons whatsoever* to take accusations like this lightly, and there is also no reason to why an amiga.org moderator should play along in the slander!

"Let's not piss off one of the few Amiga legends who still bothers to maintain an interest in Amiga developments."

Eh, what?

"Maintain an interest in Amiga developments"?! The guy hasn't played any kind of relevant role in the Amiga loop since the Commodore era, not in any way! And to be honest, his role in the Amiga evolution wasn't *that* prominent to begin with. This last time he even surfaced was only to promote his garage sale, featuring items like the AAA prototype motherboard, that he somehow got a hold of from Commodore's Amiga developments...

Let's just delete this thread shall we?

No!!!

Lock it, but *only after* he either puts up evidence (which doesn't exist) for his claims, or make a public apology.

For future public reference!

.

[takemehomegrandma]

It is "innocent until proven guilty" and NOT "guilty until proven innocent."

+1

[mingle]

Worst kind of insult?!? You are kidding, surely...

Without wanting to become too philosophical or bogged down in this petty thread, you really need to step back, get a grip and take a look at the world around you...

I think you spend far too much time sat at a computer screen...

I'm almost tempted to set up a poll just to see how many people think this thread is sad and childish in the extreme...

... my last $0.02 on the issue unless, of course, aspersions on my spotless character are aired.

[Piru]

Oh yeah, I've just made an accusation about you...

Uh, I wasn't talking about you, but rather about the notion that "it's nothing, toughen up". Excuse me if it didn't come trough clearly enough.