An Open Letter to Dave Haynie

[tasmanian guy]

Rather than putting energy into fighting and compile a list of Amiga software that works on Morphos.
 
So much this and that on Amiga.org, don't get me wrong it has helped me heaps getting whdload and my Amiga 1200 up and running, but just imagine what we could do if we all stopped the fighting and moved it forward.
 
There seems to be the 68k classic users, the WINUAE users, Aros users, Sam440/460, x1000, AmigaOS XL and Morphos users...we all love the Amiga and we all have views of what we believe is best way forward for the Amiga.
 
It is a shame it has become so fragmented but at the time so good as it means the Amiga look and feel is available on so many platforms.
 
Anyway my 2 cents.

[A1260]

this remember me of... red dwarf and the felis sapiens civil war. they formed a religion based on the saviour "cloister the stupid". the race splits and descends into civil war over red and blue hats...


interesting story, you can read more about it here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_%28Red_Dwarf%29

[lsmart]

... it's not breaking the TOS nor is it offending towards anyone in any way.

But it is pointless.

My vote is for Kirk too. His "first shoot - then ask" attitude saved the crews butt a few times. And you surely can´t replace Spock - even if you have Pinoccio (Data) running around reading from empty sheets of plexiglass.

[Piru]

Coincidentally since you left.

left?

[desiv]

... I've gotta say if you make an accusation in public, you need to put up your evidence...

Oh, you must be new to the Internet...
That's not how it works..  :lol:

Reader's Digest version:
Dave doesn't like MorphOS.  OK.
He thinks they stole code.  OK.
There's no real proof of that..  OK.
Dave still thinks it..  OK.
He's allowed.  IMHO...
Piru wants an apology.. OK..
He's allowed to ask for one..
Dave's not going to apologize..

Oh well..

Microsoft thinks Linux stole code...
They are allowed..
I disagree with them.  But they won't apologize either..

Now, when I say they are "allowed" their opinions, I'm talking my reality.  There are various slander and other related laws that have very little to do with my reality that could always come into play..  

desiv

[Digiman]

What is his email then? I tried to find it, but could not. If you know it, please PM me or email it to sintonen@iki.fi.


He made the accusation couple of days ago.

You could contact him directly on ebay. If he won't reply their or the forum originally quoted from why would he respond here?

[amigadave]

These accusations, without any proof, have just removed all respect I have ever had for Dave Haynie.

What has he done for the Amiga community over the last 15 years?  Why is he repeating these unfounded allegations now and stirring up more flames?

[Zac67]

Oh well..

You've got it. Piru's got the right to ask for an apology but probably it's not leading anywhere. I just saw hazydave zipping through this thread but if I were him I'd probably ignore it - not to fuel the flame.

Piru, a serious approach to this problem would be an open statement on the project sites on the legality and origin of the code. That should settle all doubt for those actually interested.
Actually, that statement plus a bit on the history and becoming of MorphOS and its modules would be quite interesting!

btw: You can contact him by the mail address found on his frogpondmedia video site.

[SamuraiCrow]

These accusations, without any proof, have just removed all respect I have ever had for Dave Haynie.

What has he done for the Amiga community over the last 15 years?  Why is he repeating these unfounded allegations now and stirring up more flames?

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33564&forum=25&start=540&viewmode=flat&order=0#611325

[Piru]

You could contact him directly on ebay

I don't have an ebay account and don't intend to get one for this.

[ferrellsl]

The topic of this thread needs to be changed to "An immature, open rant about Dave Haynie" since you're too stubborn to actually contact him yourself.  It isn't like he's trying to hide from you.  Why are you making this so personal and airing such dirty laundry in the open?  The reasonable thing to do would be to contact him personally and settle your differences with him one-on-one instead of turning this site into your own little "I hate Dave" site.  Stop trying to drag MOS fans and the uninformed into your little mud-slinging tirade.

[number6]

What is his email then? I tried to find it, but could not. If you know it, please PM me or email it to sintonen@iki.fi.

http://www.frogpondmedia.com/about.html
Doesn't that address work?

#6

[desiv]

Well, I was never really interested, but after reading the thread here and mostly the thread on Amigaworld.net and Dave's statements and ITIX's replies..

I was on the fence before, thinking Dave was probably overreacting, and that was fine to me..

Now, mostly based on ITIX's replies, I'm fairly convinced that there probably was what would, at least in the U.S., be considered improper handling of original code..

Now, I still don't care...
If I would have wanted MorphOS, I'd still want it.
If I wouldn't have wanted MorphOS, I'd still not want it.

desiv

[Andre.Siegel]

Why are you making this so personal and airing such dirty laundry in the open?  The reasonable thing to do would be to contact him personally and settle your differences with him one-on-one instead of turning this site into your own little "I hate Dave" site.  Stop trying to drag MOS fans and the uninformed into your little mud-slinging tirade.

You have got to be joking.

Mr. Haynie has repeatedly made defamatory accusations against MorphOS as well as its developers in public fora over the course of several years. And yet, you think it is the MorphOS developers who should discuss this only in private after being verbally violated in public over and over again?

You, sir, have a skewed sense of morality.

[X-ray]

It is perfectly reasonable for Piru to write an open letter to Dave Haynie in the light of these accusations. If Piru is at fault then Dave will post his evidence, it is a two way street.
They are both members here, they can have a thread about it and the rest of us can learn what has transpired.
False accusations are definitely of interest. Some of you need to think about what it means to develop original content (whether it is writing, code, graphics or music) and then have someone else claim you didn't make that.
If that was me I would be fairly cheesed off and I would do the same thing as Piru has done.
 
Another thing: this is quite a serious thread, maybe some of you can stop posting bilge here that isn't relevant.
That would be nice, thanks.

[Karlos]

Another thing: this is quite a serious thread, maybe some of you can stop posting bilge here that isn't relevant.
That would be nice, thanks.

Despite usually being the instigator of off-topic bilge, for once, I agree. All off-topic posts have been moved to this thread.