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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2011, 10:33:08 AM »
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So which pin should I solder to where instead?
?? You linked to the diagram!

An RCA plug (which goes in the yellow RCA socket on the rear of the A1200) Wire it to pin 20 & pin 17 (disconnect whatever normally comes from 23-pin) as per the diagram.

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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2011, 10:54:56 AM »
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?? You linked to the diagram!

An RCA plug (which goes in the yellow RCA socket on the rear of the A1200) Wire it to pin 20 & pin 17 (disconnect whatever normally comes from 23-pin) as per the diagram.


Yes, but doesnt mean I understand it! :)

Just so I understand it, get a yellow RCA connector and solder it to pins 20 & 17 ... on the scart connector ?

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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2011, 10:56:15 AM »
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Pin 20 on The SCART Connector for Composite & Pin 18 for its Earth/GND.... :)


Sorry Franko, I'm a bit confused. I know this is probably simple but which pin on the Db23 to which one on the scart?

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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2011, 11:06:01 AM »
Hi Tribz... :)

To wire up the composite video connector of the Amiga like AlexH is advising you... :)

You need to connect the central wire of the Composite Video Phono cable to PIN 20 on the SCART connector and the outer sheilding/earth wire of the composite video phono cable to PIN 17 of the SCART connector... :)

Hope that's a wee bit more simpler to understand... :)
 

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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2011, 11:22:15 AM »
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Hi Tribz... :)

To wire up the composite video connector of the Amiga like AlexH is advising you... :)

You need to connect the central wire of the Composite Video Phono cable to PIN 20 on the SCART connector and the outer sheilding/earth wire of the composite video phono cable to PIN 17 of the SCART connector... :)

Hope that's a wee bit more simpler to understand... :)


Thanks, much appreciated haha

Ok, I've done that and now at least I get a picture on AV2 but its a composite one

http://www.datacenta.it/Photo4.jpg

On AV1/RGB, its more stable at least but its still quite out.

http://www.datacenta.it/Photo5.jpg
 

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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2011, 11:28:44 AM »
The problem with SCART connections is that there isn't a firm agreed standard of interfacing between the various consumer electronics manufacturers.  I've always disliked SCART connections for this reason.  But, SCART is everywhere so we can't get around it, can we.

At this point I think you need to start measuring some voltages on your SCART connections.  I can advise you of what pins to measure, and what results to expect, but firstly do you have a decent multimeter you can use? And are you amenable to taking some voltage measurements?

Regarding the in-line resistors, I think these are used as a kind of crude voltage divider.  I think they may even be specific to the requirements of an LCD TV's SCART input, but I've never used SCART on an LCD so I'm not too sure about that.

The 1K in-line resistor on the switching pin (pin 8) may be there for current-limiting reasons, so that you're not connecting a 12V output directly to the input of the LCD.  Or, if the LCD's switch input pin is designed to trigger on a voltage lower than +12V (as I said, no agreed standards! Arrrgh!) then perhaps it is there to form a crude voltage divider.

Either way, we need to see some voltage on key pins of the cable before we can figure out what's going on.

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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2011, 11:35:55 AM »
Regarding the "ghosting" effect, can you confirm that there is no connection to pin 19 on the TV-end of the cable, as per the diagram shown a few posts back?
 

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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2011, 11:37:27 AM »
AV2 SCART socket on a lot of TVs are usually not RGB enabled and that is most likely why your getting a clear (although composite) picture using that socket... :)

AV1 SCART sockets are usually RGB enabled and from the pic you've just posted it looks to me like it's trying to display both a Composite and RGB signal at the same time... :(
Hence the "double" image your getting... :(

That's what the voltages that get applied to pins 16 & 8 on the Scart socket are for, to tell your TV to switch to RGB display mode and not display the Composite picture. It looks like your TV is not switching to RGB mode and instead trying to display a composite and RGB picture at the same time... :(

It could be one of many different reasons for this but most likely it's the voltages going to pins 16 & 8 on the Scart connector that are incorrect and thus your TV is not switching to RGB mode... :(
 

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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2011, 11:40:39 AM »
Off topic but... Is anyone else having problems with the site being dead slow the past few days and getting "DataBase Errors" showing up... it's driving me nuts... :(
 

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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2011, 11:47:04 AM »
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most likely it's the voltages going to pins 16 & 8 on the Scart connector that are incorrect and thus your TV is not switching to RGB mode... :(

Agreed - this is why I think we need to see some voltage measurements on the cable, if possible.  I think the in-line resistors are there for the purpose of presenting the correct mode-switching voltages to the LCD TV.

AH.
 

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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2011, 12:56:47 PM »
Hi

One of my scart cabels doesn't work correcly with my lcd tv.

Picture is light, I mean that it is hardly visible, it is like a ghost. No dark colours it is like contrast would be 0.

What is wrong with it? Problem can't be TV, it is proven to work with amiga.
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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2011, 01:27:59 PM »
Think I'm there or thereabouts now!

http://www.datacenta.it/Photo6.jpg

I started again and used this http://wiki.classicamiga.com/Amiga_RGB_to_Scart_lead

Would I be right in thinking this isnt 'fully wired'? Picture is miles better than composite with just some ghosting
 

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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2011, 01:30:04 PM »
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AV1 SCART sockets are usually RGB enabled and from the pic you've just posted it looks to me like it's trying to display both a Composite and RGB signal at the same time... :(
Hence the "double" image your getting... :(

That's what the voltages that get applied to pins 16 & 8 on the Scart socket are for, to tell your TV to switch to RGB display mode and not display the Composite picture. It looks like your TV is not switching to RGB mode and instead trying to display a composite and RGB picture at the same time... :(

It could be one of many different reasons for this but most likely it's the voltages going to pins 16 & 8 on the Scart connector that are incorrect and thus your TV is not switching to RGB mode... :(


Interesting, I wonder if disconnecting composite wire will remove the little remaining ghosting. I'll try it now!
 

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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2011, 01:31:34 PM »
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Agreed - this is why I think we need to see some voltage measurements on the cable, if possible.  I think the in-line resistors are there for the purpose of presenting the correct mode-switching voltages to the LCD TV.

AH.


I think your right. I've got a meter but I dont really know how to take a reading. I've been a bit wary incase I short something.

I've got no resisters attached in the now working cable.
 

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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2011, 01:32:49 PM »
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Hi

One of my scart cabels doesn't work correcly with my lcd tv.

Picture is light, I mean that it is hardly visible, it is like a ghost. No dark colours it is like contrast would be 0.

What is wrong with it? Problem can't be TV, it is proven to work with amiga.


Is it like this ?

http://www.datacenta.it/Photo2.jpg
 

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Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #29 from previous page: April 10, 2011, 02:37:20 PM »
Exactly same

I could try to fix this myself, but I'm not experienced to soldering.

So I would appreciate if I could get good instructions what to try.
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