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Offline Digiman

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Re: Can I install floppy drive1.44 on Amiga 600?
« Reply #14 from previous page: April 17, 2011, 11:08:06 AM »
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psxphill, What PLCC chip did he use?

Another idea is to have a simple buffer that is "DD" to the Amiga with 2x sectors. And "HD" to the floppy drive. Could possible be implemented with a MCU.


That's similar to how the A4000 does it, the data is read in slower than PCs would.
 

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Re: Can I install floppy drive1.44 on Amiga 600?
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2011, 11:45:26 AM »
Digiman:

Then apparently I have extra hardware, cause I can format 1.72MB disks as well as read them.

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The Amiga Tech A1200's shipped with high density drives, however they could only be used as 880kb drives as they don't spin at half speed when you insert a high density floppy disk.


psxphill:

Amiga Tech A1200s already had high density drives in them?  I had to order one specifically instead of having a low density one supposedly.  Then he credited the amount for the low density one off the high denisty one for only including it, as I recall.

Mine must be one of the smart drives, cause it's always worked like a normal high density drive.  And perhaps the dealer did one of those implementations mentioned, like the PLCC.
Amiga Tech. A1200: Apollo 1230/40 MHz & 882/50 MHz, 32 MB fast RAM, WD 298 GB HD (320 SI GB), Sony 1760 KB floppy, Surf Squirrel SCSI-II & buffered  serial, Ricoh CDRW 6x4x24, USR 33.6 Kbps modem, MV1200 scan doubler, Compaq 17" SVGA, KS 3.1, OS3.9 BB1, Genesis 45.7, Miami 3.2b, AWeb 3.5.09 APL

C= A500: 68000, 512 KB chip, 512 KB fast, 880 KB floppy x 2, 1084S, KS 1.3, OS 1.3
 

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Re: Can I install floppy drive1.44 on Amiga 600?
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2011, 12:16:37 PM »
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Digiman:

Then apparently I have extra hardware, cause I can format 1.72MB disks as well as read them.



psxphill:

Amiga Tech A1200s already had high density drives in them?  I had to order one specifically instead of having a low density one supposedly.  Then he credited the amount for the low density one off the high denisty one for only including it, as I recall.

Mine must be one of the smart drives, cause it's always worked like a normal high density drive.  And perhaps the dealer did one of those implementations mentioned, like the PLCC.


I did mean a regular Commodore A600 or A1200s not resurrected A1200s from ESCOM etc. I know they had different drives which is why I never bid on them on ebay etc. Interesting that they can read/write HD Amiga format disks.

Any more info on this anyone? I would be interested in getting an AT A1200 now if I can get a HD disk formatted on it.

(otherwise it ain't worth the ass ache with all the problems the AT A1200 disk drive has loading older/tricky disk formats on original games)
 

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Re: Can I install floppy drive1.44 on Amiga 600?
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2011, 12:22:46 PM »
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I did mean a regular Commodore A600 or A1200s not resurrected A1200s from ESCOM etc. I know they had different drives which is why I never bid on them on ebay etc. Interesting that they can read/write HD Amiga format disks.

Any more info on this anyone? I would be interested in getting an AT A1200 now if I can get a HD disk formatted on it.

(otherwise it ain't worth the ass ache with all the problems the AT A1200 disk drive has loading older/tricky disk formats on original games)


They can't read/write HD disks.
 

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Re: Can I install floppy drive1.44 on Amiga 600?
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2011, 12:41:23 PM »
Digiman, No the idea is to let the MCU/FPGA read the data at full speed. And then deliver them to the Amiga at half speed. Using a buffer in the MCU/FPGA.
 

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Re: Can I install floppy drive1.44 on Amiga 600?
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2011, 06:13:55 PM »
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I did mean a regular Commodore A600 or A1200s not resurrected A1200s from ESCOM etc. I know they had different drives which is why I never bid on them on ebay etc. Interesting that they can read/write HD Amiga format disks.

Any more info on this anyone? I would be interested in getting an AT A1200 now if I can get a HD disk formatted on it.

(otherwise it ain't worth the ass ache with all the problems the AT A1200 disk drive has loading older/tricky disk formats on original games)


Well I meant ALL Amigas except A4000.

This ESCOM/Amiga Technologies HD floppy version is news to me, anyone else got info on how to spot one? Usually I only consider C= 1200 as KS3.1 doesn't interest me, only reliable disk drives :roflmao:
 

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Re: Can I install floppy drive1.44 on Amiga 600?
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2011, 06:15:45 PM »
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Digiman, No the idea is to let the MCU/FPGA read the data at full speed. And then deliver them to the Amiga at half speed. Using a buffer in the MCU/FPGA.


Ahh OK A4000 halves spin speed to essentially do the same job. Bit of a botch for a £2000 machine!
 

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Re: Can I install floppy drive1.44 on Amiga 600?
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2011, 06:29:16 PM »
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(otherwise it ain't worth the ass ache with all the problems the AT A1200 disk drive has loading older/tricky disk formats on original games)


My HD drive can handle older and tricky disk formats on games and what-not with no prob.  (the Sony MPF920-E)

mongo:

Yes Amiga Tech. A1200s can read HD disks... mine can.  I must say I didn't realize mine was so special in this regard.
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Amiga Tech. A1200: Apollo 1230/40 MHz & 882/50 MHz, 32 MB fast RAM, WD 298 GB HD (320 SI GB), Sony 1760 KB floppy, Surf Squirrel SCSI-II & buffered  serial, Ricoh CDRW 6x4x24, USR 33.6 Kbps modem, MV1200 scan doubler, Compaq 17" SVGA, KS 3.1, OS3.9 BB1, Genesis 45.7, Miami 3.2b, AWeb 3.5.09 APL

C= A500: 68000, 512 KB chip, 512 KB fast, 880 KB floppy x 2, 1084S, KS 1.3, OS 1.3
 

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Re: Can I install floppy drive1.44 on Amiga 600?
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2011, 07:46:31 PM »
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My HD drive can handle older and tricky disk formats on games and what-not with no prob.  (the Sony MPF920-E)

mongo:

Yes Amiga Tech. A1200s can read HD disks... mine can.  I must say I didn't realize mine was so special in this regard.
:hammer:


No A1200s can read HD disks without additional hardware. Not yours, not anyone's.

You most likely have one of these installed : http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=381
 

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Re: Can I install floppy drive1.44 on Amiga 600?
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2011, 10:18:00 AM »
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No A1200s can read HD disks without additional hardware. Not yours, not anyone's.

You most likely have one of these installed : http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=381


Nonsense. I use a Chinon  FZ-357A HD 1.76MB floppy drive for years now in
both my A1200 & A600. They can read/write 1.76MB HD or 880K DD
disks without any modifications or problems!
« Last Edit: April 22, 2011, 10:26:52 AM by AmiDude »
 

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Re: Can I install floppy drive1.44 on Amiga 600?
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2011, 01:58:14 PM »
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My HD drive can handle older and tricky disk formats on games and what-not with no prob.  (the Sony MPF920-E)

mongo:

Yes Amiga Tech. A1200s can read HD disks... mine can.  I must say I didn't realize mine was so special in this regard.
:hammer:


@Mizar

Any chance of throwing some photos up online for us to see the drive and what it connects to?  I recently acquired a late release A1200 and I'm curious to get mine reading HD disks.


Cheers,
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Re: Can I install floppy drive1.44 on Amiga 600?
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2011, 05:33:24 PM »
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Nonsense. I use a Chinon  FZ-357A HD 1.76MB floppy drive for years now in
both my A1200 & A600. They can read/write 1.76MB HD or 880K DD
disks without any modifications or problems!


I just recently bought a couple of FZ-357A, I use one of them in my A3000 and the other in an A500+. They both plugged in and worked straight off. No jumper settings or anything.
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Re: Can I install floppy drive1.44 on Amiga 600?
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2011, 05:53:41 PM »
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I just recently bought a couple of FZ-357A, I use one of them in my A3000 and the other in an A500+. They both plugged in and worked straight off. No jumper settings or anything.


Yeah.... that's what I meant. Just plug 'n play!