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Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« on: March 28, 2011, 05:00:05 PM »
Note: Since this blog is a channel for OS4 developers to tell about their projects, I think it's a good idea to post something about Timberwolf here, even though it's not related to Hyperion Entertainment or a specific AmigaOS development.
I think it's safe to say that Timberwolf (i.e. the port of Firefox to AmigaOS) is an important project for AmigaOS 4, since today, a system that wants to be taken seriously will have to have Firefox in it's software repertoire. A lot of people argue that OWB fills in the gap of a modern web browser and think that we should rather concentrate on that and ditch Firefox. However, the Mozilla software is more than a web browser. It's technology. It offers a platform independent way of writing applications, and AmigaOS can very much profit from all the developments going on in the Mozilla community.
As a web browser, Firefox is cutting edge technology, offering things like html5 and WebGL, In fact, Firefox has become part of the definition of the World Wide Web, driving it's development. It's importance in that respect matches or surpasses any other browser. It is also still actively developed by a large group of individuals.
As a technology, Mozilla allows the creation of applications that run on a variety of platforms. One such application is, for example, Thunderbird, an email client that also became the de-facto standard on most systems.
 
So, what about Timberwolf ? After the release of the early alpha preview last year, we've been working on getting the source code updated to the new version of Firefox, 4.0. Early versions (up to beta 6) produced rendering errors within the box layout on Windows (I didn't test the Linux version at that time). Therefore, we decided to wait until a version came out that would at least render correctly (since that is basically what we would have to implement ourselves). When beta 7 came out, the layout seemed correct,  so we started with the Firefox 4.0b7 source code and applied our code changes to it.
This weekend, I got 4.0b7 to fully compile, although the implementation of the rendering code is still a stub. Since the final release version of Firefox 4.0 came out just recently, we decided to try to update from 40.b7 to 4.0 final. The update worked quite well, although a few kinks need to be ironed out.
This means we now have all the code that will make up the final release of Timberwolf. In the coming days (time permitting) we will start the implementation of the actual rendering engine. We're not able to give time estimates, but I would guess that we will be able to come up with the next preview version sometime in early summer.
For more information about Porject Timberwolf (including screenshots and updates on the progress), visit the page on AmigaBounty.

http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=292
 

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Re: Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2011, 05:55:04 PM »
The bro's always said that they were waiting for FireFox 4.o to come out to complete TimberWolf so Yes much awaited great news:banana::D:pint:
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Re: Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2011, 06:57:12 PM »
Thanks for the update.
 

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Re: Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2011, 07:38:40 PM »
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a system that wants to be taken seriously will have to have Firefox in it's software repertoire

Interesting statement, I have to say.
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Re: Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2011, 07:43:07 PM »
What is their official position on releasing the source to their port?

Is it going to stay closed or will they open it so others can use their work as a base for 3.x/AROS/MorphOS ports?
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Re: Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2011, 07:49:37 PM »
Personally I think the importance/usage of Firefox is somewhat overstated/over-estimated by this little write up. Sure, it's probably the 2nd most widely used browser around, but its numbers are dropping while Chrome's are rising. Additionally Thunderbird becoming a defacto standard ? What a crock.
Seriously, was this write up written by someone from Hyperion ? It reads more like an attempt to sell something to people than anything else (I dont mean literal currency for exchange for goods/services selling before someone harks up about my choice of words).
The vast majority of people just want something they can browse with and maybe watch online videos/youtube with. Flash is obviously a biggish thing as well for a lot of people, but not really an option for any alternative systems.


edit: good luck to those involved/interested still though.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2011, 02:29:41 PM by fishy_fiz »
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2011, 08:17:52 PM »
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Personally I think the importance/usage of Firefox is somewhat overstated/over-estimated by this little write up.

I've been using Firefox on my PC's since it's inception and absolutely love it so TimberWolf coming to my favourite OS is of the upmost importance to me as an AmigaOS user today :drink:
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Re: Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2011, 09:27:46 PM »
Unless I am missing something having firefox/timberwolf will not bring flash to the Amiga range of OSes
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Re: Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2011, 11:18:52 PM »
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Unless I am missing something having firefox/timberwolf will not bring flash to the Amiga range of OSes

You didn't miss a thing. It won't bring flash to OS4.

MorphOS OWB on the other hand has the best flash implementation so far, but even that leaves a lot to be desired (it's flash8 or so).

And yes I have to agree the post has some rather silly statements in it.
 

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Re: Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2011, 12:12:44 AM »
Not unless someone writes a plug-in. From what I understand, Flash on any Amiga flavor isn't the best nor up-to-date.
 

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Re: Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2011, 12:20:30 AM »
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Not unless someone writes a plug-in. From what I understand, Flash on any Amiga flavor isn't the best nor up-to-date.

from what I've heard the gnash plugin works but is really slow on current OS4 hardware (prior to Sam460)..hopefully it will be useable on the X1000!

anyone here with a 460ex try out the gnash plugin?
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Re: Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2011, 12:38:12 AM »
If Mr. Jobs has his way Flash is on the way out anyway. It eould bring new meaning to "Flash in the Pan".
 

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Re: Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2011, 06:59:33 AM »
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What is their official position on releasing the source to their port?

Is it going to stay closed or will they open it so others can use their work as a base for 3.x/AROS/MorphOS ports?

Good question, but I think you are asking for a miracle.
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Re: Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2011, 08:18:07 AM »
The first paragraph is a pure advertisement. It is also worth noting that Friedens seem to admit that they have given up with developing any AmigaOS 4 unique technology. The last sentence about browser based applications is a meaningful hint, as well as Qt porting efforts. I wish them luck, but it is not my way, I will stay on the blue route.

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Re: Timberwolf: Progress on an important project
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2011, 09:30:12 AM »
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Timberwolf news finally is a good sign in amigaland! :)
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