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Offline fishy_fiz

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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2011, 04:52:20 PM »
Alien to the system ? They existed before AGA. Heck they existed before ECS. RTG is so much better an experience than custom chipsets. As for superaga, it might be better than AGA(not hard) but I doubt it'll come close to an RTG system. As for new software, I wouldnt hold your breath minus a few showpieces.
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2011, 04:58:17 PM »
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Alien to the system ? They existed before AGA. Heck they existed before ECS. RTG is so much better an experience than custom chipsets. As for superaga, it might be better than AGA(not hard) but I doubt it'll come close to an RTG system. As for new software, I wouldnt hold your breath minus a few showpieces.


Agreed.  While I might be running most of my games in OCS/ECS/AGA screenmodes, I couldn't life without RTG for Workbench, word processing, web surfing, etc which is probably why I tend to ignore my A1200s.
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2011, 05:20:07 PM »
It's "funny" though. To program I much prefer ocs/ecs/aga, and I like the idea of seeing what results can be obtained from such a limited source as the custom chipsets, and I enjoy lots of custom chipset games and so on, but for anything remotely serious and/or system friendly (including games that support it) RTG is soooo much better that theyre incomparable. Im not sure some people understand just what a drastic improvement an rtg card is.
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2011, 05:21:48 PM »
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Alien to the system ? They existed before AGA. Heck they existed before ECS. RTG is so much better an experience than custom chipsets. As for superaga, it might be better than AGA(not hard) but I doubt it'll come close to an RTG system. As for new software, I wouldnt hold your breath minus a few showpieces.

I doesn't matter to me when those existed, it's just that I like the custom chipset way. I believe SuperAGA will come close to an RTG system, but time will tell.
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2011, 06:08:44 PM »
If you don't like rtg set it to 256 colour. I'm pretty hooked on 1024x768 for my desktop, but for the games I'm doing 640x480 x 256 is easy and I will be able to translate them to Amiga AGA.
I don't think the classic Amiga needs 24-bit, but in a few years we should up the minimum spec anyway.
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2011, 06:39:56 PM »
I would like a Natami....
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2011, 07:06:43 PM »
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Just saying, Natami boots software from floppy just like any other classic does :)


That's fantastic news :) I still want an A3000 and a replacement 2000 sometime this year so probably wont have any cash to spare in 2011.
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2011, 07:53:51 PM »
I would love a Natami and a FPGA Arcade, but I can't afford either and probably never will be able to, so I can't answer the poll.
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2011, 09:00:36 PM »
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That's fantastic news :) I still want an A3000 and a replacement 2000 sometime this year so probably wont have any cash to spare in 2011.

I have a couple of spare A2000's.  If you are looking for one contact me via PMail or email.  I already sold all my A3000D's, but I might sell my A3000T, if I get an offer I can't refuse.
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2011, 09:30:47 PM »
I'm interested in NatAmi, since it provides backwards compatibility but, even more important, Amiga-like architecture and improvements over past chipsets.

Hope the target price will be ok (IMHO around 200/250 EUR) and there will be some software for demonstrating the new capabilities.
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2011, 10:34:18 PM »
I think I will, I just don't know which. I sure hope the programming of the custom chips is done well. I would think the "feel" should be a few steps beyond the pure software emulation, likes of WinUAE / Colanto AF.

The Minimig turned out really good, yes (don't have one)? Any lessons learned from that?
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2011, 02:10:31 AM »
I'd like to build a minimig, but I am totally swamped with college right now. Course I'd like to do some Aros programming to but I have zero time for that right now.
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2011, 04:27:13 AM »
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Since when has Blade Runner been obscure?  ;)

Personally, I prefer the book that that movie was derived from.

If I want power, I'll stick with PPC or X86.

For 68K based Amiga software, the FPGA Replay Board looks ideal.

The Natami is likely to suffer the same problem that plagues most niche system, while it will run legacy software, the number of new packages developed specifically for it may be limited.
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2011, 09:29:33 AM »
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The Natami is likely to suffer the same problem that plagues most niche system, while it will run legacy software, the number of new packages developed specifically for it may be limited.


That may be true, but if they produce proper drivers it'll still benefit from the improved graphics modes for the base system for RTG friendly apps, and the performance will still benefit most old M68k apps, and if they get decent compiler support for their new instructions for N68050/68070 they might get even more substantial performance boosts.

There's clearly still quite a few classic users that refuse to consider an x86 or PPC system that would still like those performance boosts, and for whom the boost they might get from a Natami might be enough to let them stay with a M68k compatible system for much longer.

It seems the Replay will be perfect for a low end classic replacement for a lot of people, while Natami will push the performance boundary - I think there's plenty of room for both. Neither need huge sales numbers to be viable and both will benefit as FPGA prices go down and size and performance keeps going up.
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2011, 09:31:22 AM »
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I'm interested in NatAmi, since it provides backwards compatibility but, even more important, Amiga-like architecture and improvements over past chipsets.

Hope the target price will be ok (IMHO around 200/250 EUR) and there will be some software for demonstrating the new capabilities.
BY!


I think 200/250 EUR for the Natami is completely unrealistic. That's the range that's been indicated for the FPGA Arcade. I'd be surprised (pleasantly so...) if the Natami ends up at or below 600-800 EUR.
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Re: Are you buying an FPGA Amiga?
« Reply #44 from previous page: March 28, 2011, 01:51:19 PM »
I never bought one, but I was loaned a MiniMig from ACube to help develop new cores. However they sent me one with a PIC without TinyBootloader and so I couldn't reprogram it. They said they would send a replacement PIC but never did and it has sat on the shelf in the office ever since.
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