Amount of MorphOS copies sold

[OlafS3]

Grunch is a great tool, I use it for my Aros 68k distribution. And I appreciate the efforts the core-developers have done and what great software like Grunch or OWB were created for it. I am not against MorphOS but I think MorphOS is in the same trap as AOS (PPC) so working together with Aros would help both sides, more than always saying "we are the best" even if it is a shrinking (in best case stagnating) community.

[HenryCase]

Notice that the thread is at General Discussion which is exactly the correct place for this kind of blahblah-bs.

So what? There are 'General Discussion' type subforums on all popular Amiga forums. The point is, morphzone.org is no better in this regard than another single OS site, like amigans.net for example. So your claim that morphzone.org is somehow full of superior discussions is slightly dubious, it's very comparable to both AROS-Exec.org and Amigans.net.

Not a lot but I understand his point, I myself quite rarely download from Aminet, I use Grunch or developers homepage. Aminet is a valuable source for software though and wish it will continue as long as possible.

You understand TMHG's point, but I hope you also understand that it wasn't relevant. Olaf was using Aminet software uploads as a measure of the amount of new software available, not to measure downloads (which means the fact it's commonly downloaded elsewhere is irrelevant). By your own admission, there isn't much MorphOS software that isn't available from Aminet, so it seems a perfectly reasonable place to measure new software activity.

What's so wrong about that?

There's not much wrong with that thread, my point is that the content found at Morphzone is typical Amiga forum fare. Hooligan wanted to make out that you had a better quality of discussion than found elsewhere, I wished to point out that the same sort of bikeshedding found in other Amiga forums can be found at Morphzone too.

In fact, reading through that thread it's interesting that there is another prime example of your dodgy analytical skills, where you claim Amigakit funded production of the X1000, implying A-EON probably didn't have the finances to bankroll it, only to be corrected by Trevor Dickinson (who did fund the X1000 development) in the next post. Where you got this from, I do not know, but you do seem willing to make stuff without much factual basis.

Noticed you ignored my question before, guess you're still confused about how to answer?

Okay, if you've been listening, what do you think the main point I'm trying to make is? I'll give you a hint, it's nothing to do with forum visitors.

[number6]

On that thread, someone brought up the idea of porting MorphOS to the X1000, but then it was discussed how this would be pointless, and would never happen anyways given the people involved in the project. It's way too expensive, to uncertain, too small volume, etc. There isn't anything viable about it. This is what was discussed, to sum it up.

That's funny. When I read it I see a well thought out discussion about future direction and the concerns expressed about that future.
Then again, I mostly focus my attention on what the development team has to say and not so much the extraneous comments.

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[takemehomegrandma]

That's funny. When I read it I see a well thought out discussion about future direction and the concerns expressed about that future.

Was that supposed to *contradict* in some way what I just wrote above? I just commented on the X1000 part of it. Again: It started with a suggestion to port MorphOS to the X1000, the idea was rejected (hordes of reasons were given, in summary it would be even more of a dead-end than used Mac hardware), what makes most sense at this point is supporting Mac hardware. Then various aspects of various CPU architectures was discussed, pros/cons, etc. In fact, not a great deal of all the posts in that thread was even mentioning the X1000. How this can turn out to be "a 28 page thread slagging off the X1000" in someones head is beyond me. It must be someone having their "actively-searching-for-"Negativity"-to-get-upset-about" glasses on. Maybe your comment was really directed to HenryCase?

[hooligan]

So your claim that morphzone.org is somehow full of superior discussions is slightly dubious, it's very comparable to both AROS-Exec.org and Amigans.net.

Hooligan wanted to make out that you had a better quality of discussion than found elsewhere,

Do not put words into my mouth. I have never ever told the discussions are of better quality than elsewhere.  

You understand TMHG's point, but I hope you also understand that it wasn't relevant. Olaf was using Aminet software uploads as a measure of the amount of new software available, not to measure downloads

My mistake then sorry, a languagebarrier or result of poor quick reading.

[number6]

Was that supposed to *contradict* in some way what I just wrote above? I just commented on the X1000 part of it. Again: It started with a suggestion to port MorphOS to the X1000, the idea was rejected (hordes of reasons were given, in summary it would be even more of a dead-end than used Mac hardware), what makes most sense at this point is supporting Mac hardware. Then various aspects of various CPU architectures was discussed, pros/cons, etc. In fact, not a great deal of all the posts in that thread was even mentioning the X1000. How this can turn out to be "a 28 page thread slagging off the X1000" in someones head is beyond me. It must be someone having their "actively-searching-for-"Negativity"-to-get-upset-about" glasses on. Maybe your comment was really directed to HenryCase?

All I said was that in -my- reading I focus on the postive aspects of the thread...the discussion about the future.

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[HenryCase]

Do not put words into my mouth. I have never ever told the discussions are of better quality than elsewhere.

So this wasn't what you intended to imply with this then?

Morphzone is clearly a technical forum, we don't have silly threads whether to vote for pancakes or not.

My mistake then sorry, a languagebarrier or result of poor quick reading.

Fair enough, that's understandable.

[hooligan]

@HenryCase

I meant the threads are usually only MorphOS related, not much about anything else. It was a surprise to find a thread about Sonys new monitor one morning, off topics like that does not occur very often.

[HenryCase]

@HenryCase

I meant the threads are usually only MorphOS related, not much about anything else. It was a surprise to find a thread about Sonys new monitor one morning, off topics like that does not occur very often.

I see. My apologies then. However, considering the original context, I understand where my confusion came from. I was comparing Morphzone to Amigans and Aros-Exec, all three of which are very much focused on their platforms of choice. It's only really on cross-platform sites like amiga.org and amigaworld.net that you get a higher percentage of inane topics.

[jorkany]

There is *nothing* wrong with the thread over at MorphZone, maybe it's the beholder that is the problem...?

I think you are onto something here, as I read the thread in question and thought it was pretty good.

[HenryCase]

I think you are onto something here, as I read the thread in question and thought it was pretty good.

Fine fine, maybe I was a little overly harsh about the X1000 thread. The main point I was trying to make wasn't about a single thread in particular, but rather that you can enjoy similar levels of debate across all the single Amiga-like OS forums. Is that something you agree with or disagree with?

[Iggy]

@hooligan

Oh sure, morphzone.org is full of productive threads, like a 28 page thread slagging off the X1000. Yes, you're all so superior...

@Duce
You're right.

Slagging off the X1000? You really don't spend much time reading our threads do you?
The majority of people on MorphZone have been very positive about the X1000 (and considering that its an OS4 machine that's surprising).
Hey, Trevor posts there occasionally.

I'm not sure I like being characterized the way you have.

Our discussions tend to be more serious, but wait till April 1st. We can get just as silly as any other site.

[HenryCase]

Slagging off the X1000? You really don't spend much time reading our threads do you?

It was an exaggeration. I'd much prefer to stick to clarity, but when a simple message is being overlooked, you start looking at other ways to get your point across. I've already said I was overly harsh about that particular thread.

I'm not sure I like being characterized the way you have.

Do you know why I made that earlier statement? Please feel free to take a guess.

[Iggy]

Do you know why I made that earlier statement? Please feel free to take a guess.

Actually, maybe I need to apologize because I really don't have to guess.

While some of us attempt to be reasonable even handed (AmigaDave comes to mind) there are a few who's immediate knee jerk reaction is to slam anything they don't favor.

But I believe these people are in the minority.

And I'm not sure MorphOS users are any more guilty then any other group.

[HenryCase]

Actually, maybe I need to apologize because I really don't have to guess.

While some of us attempt to be reasonable even handed (AmigaDave comes to mind) there are a few who's immediate knee jerk reaction is to slam anything they don't favor.

But I believe these people are in the minority.

And I'm not sure MorphOS users are any more guilty then any other group.

Iggy, there's no need for you to apologise, I understood your reaction, and I understand your explanation. For the most part I enjoy talking with MorphOS fans, and admire what has been done with the OS. However, occasionally I come across attitudes that seem to come from groupthink/drinking too much of the Kool-Aid, and when I do it's hard to break down those walls with logic alone. I apologise if you thought I was bad mouthing MorphOS and MorphOS fans in general, that was certainly not my intention.

What I'd really want is to stop the pettiness, and find ways for each of us to help grow all Amiga and Amiga-like platforms, not waste time on vacuous statements like 'we've got more users' or 'our platform's better than yours'. At the end of the day, such statements don't improve the software, and only serve to antagonise others, so why do we bother?

However, for the pettiness to stop, there has to be mutual respect, which means elitist attitudes have to go. This applies to all camps. Hope you agree.

[Iggy]

Henry,
I couldn't agree with you more.
Everyone in the community has similar interests and all our OS' are built around an OS3.1 API.
So why is there so much conflict?

Frankly, I'm using two NG OS' now and wouldn't mind trying the third.
Its hard to believe that with such a small base of users we have this many choices.