Amount of MorphOS copies sold

[itix]

It's also irrelevant because of the sliding definition of "users". I downloaded AmiKit a few weeks ago. I have booted it up a couple of times, and I even provided some bug reports that led to a new release. I still have it on my computer. Am I a user?

I haven't booted up my Pegasos 2 for three years, but I have it here with MorphOS installed. Am I a Pegasos 2 user? And similar - people having AmigaOne XE's collecting dust besides their PC's, not having used it forever, but actively participating in OS4 discussions on Amigaworld.net using Google Chrome on the Windows 7 box, are they OS4 users?

In real world companies dont count how many users there are but how many copies they have sold. So from the MorphOS team POV only interesting graph should be number of MorphOS licenses sold. From Hyperion Entertainment POV only interesting graph should be number of OS4 licenses they have sold.

To AROS developers number of downloads is similarly only interesting figure. It is not comparable to number of licences but should give some idea is interest growing or declining.

[hooligan]

That's your guess. Okay. Let's look at it another way. How active are the following forums:
http://www.amigans.net/
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/news/
http://aros-exec.org/

At the time of writing, 7 topics on amigans.net had posts from 'Today', 2 topics from morphzone.org had posts from '11-03-2012' (today's date), and 9 topics from aros-exec.org had posts from 'Today'. Your definition of active users may be different from mine, but seems unlikely to me that MorphOS users are that much quieter/less opinionated than OS4 and AROS users, seems much more likely to me that there are just fewer users who are actively involved with MorphOS. YMMV.

Morphzone is clearly a technical forum, we don't have silly threads whether to vote for pancakes or not. Certainly not suitable to use as a measurestick for any kind of guess how active MorphOS users are.

[takemehomegrandma]

So from the MorphOS team POV only interesting graph should be number of MorphOS licenses sold.

Indeed that's interesting, the MorphOS Team has absolute statistics of this (also connected to individual users e-mail addresses (read: users), so they won't have to "divide by 2" or such either), and that is interesting to outsiders as well, hence the effort of collecting the registration data and making that graph over at morphzone.org, and the original post in this thread a year ago...

[Duce]

No one cares about numbers of the various camps.  It's a niche OS, just like all our Amiga OS's.  If you enjoy it, enjoy it - having a dickie measuring contest over pissant numbers is silly.  If the Morph devs get a meal out of their hard work even via registrations, kudos to them.  Thankless stuff, this hobby OS market when it comes to cash.

In the time it took me to type this, something like 2000 Android activations were done - see how numbers are stupid?  

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022712-android-850k-256646.html

[HenryCase]

I've been listening to you the whole day. I don't agree however.

Okay, if you've been listening, what do you think the main point I'm trying to make is? I'll give you a hint, it's nothing to do with forum visitors.

[HenryCase]

@hooligan

Morphzone is clearly a technical forum, we don't have silly threads whether to vote for pancakes or not. Certainly not suitable to use as a measurestick for any kind of guess how active MorphOS users are.

Oh sure, morphzone.org is full of productive threads, like a 28 page thread slagging off the X1000. Yes, you're all so superior...

@Duce
You're right.

[OlafS3]

There a simple way to measure activity... the software-base. When you call aminet "recent" page and count new entries. There is 68k alone more than all others combined, second is mostly AmigaOS or MorphOS (when I remember right) no big difference between both (f.e. 6 new entries versus 3 or 4) but a really huge gap to 68k and then Aros (but it is now speeding up and developing faster). So when takemehomegrandma is happy about this second place let him have the joy. I am not and are investing my spare time to merge the 68k and Aros communities (what is the logical next step for me). And i see only stagnation in both AmigaOS and MorphOS.

[HenryCase]

So when takemehomegrandma is happy about this second place let him have the joy.

No, this is not the issue. I have no doubt that MorphOS is doing well (at least comparitively well). However, there's a big difference between a moderate amount of success and 'double all OS4 and AROS users combined'. It's the lazy analysis used to jump to such a conclusion that is jarring. Had the thread just been about the growth of MorphOS then there wouldn't have been any issues, the '2nd place' thing is fine.

[hooligan]

@hooligan
Oh sure, morphzone.org is full of productive threads, like a 28 page thread slagging off the X1000. Yes, you're all so superior...

Notice that the thread is at General Discussion which is exactly the correct place for this kind of blahblah-bs.

[takemehomegrandma]

There a simple way to measure activity... the software-base. When you call aminet "recent" page and count new entries. There is 68k alone more than all others combined, second is mostly AmigaOS or MorphOS (when I remember right) no big difference between both (f.e. 6 new entries versus 3 or 4) but a really huge gap to 68k and then Aros (but it is now speeding up and developing faster). So when takemehomegrandma is happy about this second place let him have the joy. I am not and are investing my spare time to merge the 68k and Aros communities (what is the logical next step for me). And i see only stagnation in both AmigaOS and MorphOS.

What, are there MorphOS software on Aminet? Did anyone know this?

:p

(Note: I knew there was, but you must understand that most people downloads their MorphOS software from other places. And isn't there something for OS4 as well, "OS4 depot" or something? And whether you download or not at all, what, and how much, depends on your user pattern. For example: If you mostly want to browse the web, Odyssey is already bundled (no need to download, and new versions comes on the developers own space), Yam has its own site, Simple mail has sourceforge AFAIK, AmIRC has its own page. UAE is on Fab's page, so is mplayer, etc, etc. Do you get the point? )

[hooligan]

@TMHG

Grunch ftw ;-)

[OlafS3]

No I do not. i wrote "new entries" and not download-numbers. Name me software that is not available on aminet. In my view aminet is best source to show the differences in development of new software of all camps. Or do you think different?

Most of the software you mention are available for all platforms so they make no difference. What software is only available for MorphOS and not on Aminet?

[hooligan]

Most of the software you mention are available for all platforms so they make no difference. What software is only available for MorphOS and not on Aminet?

Not a lot but I understand his point, I myself quite rarely download from Aminet, I use Grunch or developers homepage. Aminet is a valuable source for software though and wish it will continue as long as possible.

[takemehomegrandma]

@hooligan

Oh sure, morphzone.org is full of productive threads, like a 28 page thread slagging off the X1000. Yes, you're all so superior...

On that thread, someone brought up the idea of porting MorphOS to the X1000, but then it was discussed how this would be pointless, and would never happen anyways given the people involved in the project. It's way too expensive, to uncertain, too small volume, etc. There isn't anything viable about it. This is what was discussed, to sum it up.

What's so wrong about that? Discussing/considering things like this, is what made MorphOS go the current Mac route (bringing 100 new registrations per half year, and probably a visible bump when the PowerBook support is here), it's called realism, not "negativity", and *NOT* discussing/considering these things, is how you end up having your platform tied to a $3,000 anchor on a chain that won't do one single thing to develop the platform, probably the opposite, it may push people away from it, as they see how it prevents the boat from moving.

But by all means, go back to the "Happy La-La Land", where cold-hearted facts are forever being suppressed because of their "negativity", so that lunacy can grow freely and *prosper*. And then you will wake up some day (some two years from now, when the Friedens releases the final version of the Timberwolf) and you'll be shocked and wonder why it was only downloaded by 350 people in total, when the community is so live and active at amigaworld.net, discussing Windows 8, CUSA Amiga's, and x86 vs PPC...

There is *nothing* wrong with the thread over at MorphZone, maybe it's the beholder that is the problem...?

[takemehomegrandma]

@TMHG

Grunch ftw ;-)

Yeah!

Hope they will integrate the MorphOS itself (with all its components) in Grunch in MorphOS 3.0...

[OlafS3]

Grunch is a great tool, I use it for my Aros 68k distribution. And I appreciate the efforts the core-developers have done and what great software like Grunch or OWB were created for it. I am not against MorphOS but I think MorphOS is in the same trap as AOS (PPC) so working together with Aros would help both sides, more than always saying "we are the best" even if it is a shrinking (in best case stagnating) community.