Apple's iPad 2 is the 'Holy Grail' of computing

[nicholas]

On the plus side you can't snort coke from an A1200. It does not have a smooth flat shiny service.

It does if you turn it upside down.

[Kesa]

It does if you turn it upside down.

huh?

[Franko]

huh?

I see your brain cell is still pickled... how's the hangover...

[Lando]

There's an app that by blowing on the touch screen you can blow out the candles on a birthday cake. Maybe they could make an app so when you to sniff the screen it shows you snorting coke :roflmao:

Oh I'd love to see that going through the App store approval process :-)  And then the press coverage if somehow it got through... 'iPhone got my son addicted to coke' headlines etc...

[Karlos]

@karlos

ok... dont criticize apple or apple fans in the future, understood.

WTF? I realise English is probably not your first language, but how does what I've said equate to that?

Read this thread again and others like it. I've slammed apple, their products and the sheeple that worship them multiple times. However, they are perfectly within their rights to talk about it here, in the "other operating systems" under the current forum rules.

You seem unwilling to accept that as long as they keep their platform-X discussion to this sub forum, they aren't breaking any rules. There's no rule that Amiga users can't also be Apple/Linux/Windows/Console/whatever users. The forum is for the users themselves, not their machines.

Personally, I've grown to hate all things apple with a passion since the first generations of OSX. Before that, I wasn't really polarized either way. I even used MacOS 7.5.3 (albeit under ShapeShifter) to complete my Uni work since I had to use MS Word and a few chemistry applications only available for MacOS at the time.

However, one of my first IT jobs put the nail in that coffin. I had to work with an OSX machine to do stuff for which a LAMP server is the logical choice. The constant hype and having to work with a true apple zealot who could not even bring himself to use the right tool (a bog standard x86 linux machine) for the job. Oh no, a G4 running OSX Server 10.3, "the best server OS in the world!"... He then went on to lose everything when that server decided to trash it's own filesystem - but still, it wasn't OSX's fault, oh no). Said incident is documented here on this very forum, somewhere.

Eighteen months of having to use a flaky form-before-function machine at work that touted it's "unix" compatibility but would fail to provide basic unix tools. The entire Objective-C debacle. Bloodline seems to think I hate it purely on aesthetic grounds, but that's not even the half of it. Oh no. The list goes on. You won't find many people here with a bigger axe to grind about apple stuff than I. When it comes to their typical trend-obsessed fanboy users, to paraphrase American Dad, "Hmm, how do I hang an air freshener on this? You're a total waste of space and I often think about killing you."

Does that explain my position on apple products, or shall I draw you a picture?

None of which means that other people can't have a different opinion.

Now, as I said. If you want to see more amiga specific discussion, then help initiate it rather than whining about the lack of it and making insinuations that the site is more for apple users or whatever other nonsense passes for logic in your reasoning.

[Kesa]

Karlos all i can say is wow! My question is do you really feel that way or did you get out of bed this morning on the wrong side?

[Karlos]

@Kesa

My antipathy towards apple is a matter of public record. I don't mind their desktop machines since you can generally upgrade the hardware and ditch the OS and put something useful on.

Their software and "post PC" totally-non-upgradable-in-any-way-shape-or-form hardware is just plain sh!te. A triumph of marketing and consumerism over common sense.

[persia]

@Karlos
 I have to agree there's just something odd about Apples Apache/PHP.  I struggled for a few weeks trying to get authentication on a Drupal site to work properly on an XServe until I finally discovered that the best way to make it work was to run a virtual LAMP machine on the XServe.  Everything just worked.  Why Apple messes with such low level stuff makes no sense whatsoever.

[bloodline]

Karlos all i can say is wow! My question is do you really feel that way or did you get out of bed this morning on the wrong side?

:lol: Karlos's dislike of Apple is from his experience and probably well deserved... I have had an almost identical experience with Windows XP, I.e. Had to use it in an environment (live music) where it just wasn't suited and now I hate it and won't bother trying vista etc, as it lost me, I found another solution... Happy now, case closed. No need to peel off the scab.

For the record I only briefly used OSX before 10.4, and also hated it... Had I needed to work with it as Karlos did, I expect I would feel much the same.

[bloodline]

@Kesa

Their software and "post PC" totally-non-upgradable-in-any-way-shape-or-form hardware is just plain sh!te. A triumph of marketing and consumerism over common sense.

I disagree here, I think the "Post PC" thing was inevitable. To be against it is a bit like telegraph operators lamenting the introduction of the Mobile Phone...

Hardware is a commodity, you now can build the device that suits your needs, you don't need a vendor. And that is true of most things, you could build cars washing machines, scissors, shelves... But you need the right tools and the right experience, the right education and the motivation... In the end most people just want to go to the shop and buy something that works and is safe to use. And that is where Apple make their money.

[nicholas]

:lol: Karlos's dislike of Apple is from his experience and probably well deserved... I have had an almost identical experience with Windows XP, I.e. Had to use it in an environment (live music) where it just wasn't suited and now I hate it and won't bother trying vista etc, as it lost me, I found another solution... Happy now, case closed. No need to peel off the scab.

For the record I only briefly used OSX before 10.4, and also hated it... Had I needed to work with it as Karlos did, I expect I would feel much the same.

OSX versions prior to 10.5 are truly atrocious.

10.6 fixed many things but not enough to be considered functionally complete as a proper UNIX.

[Karlos]

I disagree here, I think the "Post PC" thing was inevitable. To be against it is a bit like telegraph operators lamenting the introduction of the Mobile Phone...

Don't confuse my disdain for the iPhone/iPad with disdain for portable computing devices in general. I have absolutely nothing against such devices. What I do dislike is apple's totalitarian approach to hardware expansion. You are simply not allowed to add anything to it, even an after market battery FFS. This, combined with their insistence that they are at the absolute forefront of innovation whilst trying to sell me some hermetically sealed box of electronics I can do precisely feck all with (because to all real intents and purposes they basically still own it and I'm just paying for the the privilege of holding it) other than what they allow, really pisses me off. But not nearly as much as the fanboys that think this is perfectly fair and good.

[Kesa]

Is there any proper reason why they don't allow expansion? My camera allows me to put in extra memory in the form of a small card. It's not rocket science so why don't they put this on the ipad?

For the record i think the imac is a masterpiece of construction. It is beautiful and probably the best desktop i have seen. But i despise all things Apple so if i ever did buy a 27" imac the first thing i would do is remove the snow leopard and install windows 7 just to piss them off because deep down despite what they claim they don't have any power over us in any way whatsoever

[persia]

On the flip side not every device need have a full bash shell,  I don't need it for my TV, even though it has a web browser. Sometimes a device is just a device.  The iPad is neat for a handheld applications platform, but I would want to code on it.

[Iggy]

Personally, I don't have a problem with Windows or OSX, but the iPad has to be one of the dumbest things I've seen come off the line in a long time.
A giant iPhone without the phone, sheer genius. Jobs' thyroid cancer must be affecting his brain. Holly Grail? Only in the sense of a mythical object that a lot o resources were wasted on trying to find.

[persia]

@Iggy

Try it out, it's a neat device for what it is.  Not every computer has to do everything.  My fridge doesn't have to host websites, my TV doesn't have to render 3D objects in real time.  I have an 8 core Mac Pro that handles the hard computing stuff.  I have give talks with an iPad and small projector, watched TV from my slingbox, etc with the iPad.  I use it for light internet use.  It's simply  tool that fills a niche.