X1000 general questions

[klx300r]

What does the X1000 offer the gaming world besides nostalgia?

well if you're into gaming it'll give you the opportunity to play modern games as well as all the old classic 68k games while using your favourite OS

[dammy]

well if you're into gaming it'll give you the opportunity to play modern games as well as all the old classic 68k games while using your favourite OS

Why wouldn't people just buy a SAM460 now and pay far less?  Problem for the A1X1K is OS4 only runs on one CPU core, second can't be used.

[klx300r]

Why wouldn't people just buy a SAM460 now and pay far less?  Problem for the A1X1K is OS4 only runs on one CPU core, second can't be used.

well I guess it's up to personal choice and that's good in Amiga land for sure:)
btw, are you 'sure' it only runs on one core;)

[dammy]

well I guess it's up to personal choice and that's good in Amiga land for sure:)
btw, are you 'sure' it only runs on one core;)

I'm fairly confident that OS4 only runs on a single core.  They could try to run OS4 on each core as separate OSs, but who would care for that?  People want SMP for multicore support.

[WolfToTheMoon]

I'm fairly confident that OS4 only runs on a single core.  They could try to run OS4 on each core as separate OSs, but who would care for that?  People want SMP for multicore support.

They don't really need the 2nd core because the OS4 is snappy as it is and there are no applications that would really need the added grunt of the SMP computing.
Their time would be much better spent in bringing USB 2.0 or modern 3D support rather then making AMP or SMP on OS4. Especially since adding SMP would probably break most applications and would be a major rework of the OS itself and judging by Hyperion's speed in bringing updates it would mean that the OS4 would have a usable SMP somewhere in the 2020-2025 timeframe.

[Iggy]

What does the X1000 offer the gaming world besides nostalgia?

The fastest PPC processor available in the Amiga community and modern PCIe expansion slots.
This board operates at almost twice what the SaM460 does and the processor includes AltiVec instructions that the APM based SAMs don't have.
As it is due to be released long before G5 support is introduced for MorphOS, it now turns the performance crown over to AOS.

You get a chance to buy a system based on a really neat PPC that probably would have helped Apple raise the performance of its laptops if they had not moved to X86.

Its just a damned nice piece of Amiga hardware.
Any other stupid questions?

[Kronos]

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As it is due to be released long before G5 support is introduced for MorphOS,

That is to be seen.

it now turns the performance crown over to AOS.

That is to be seen (remember how underperforming OS4 was when tested on Peg2 against MorphOS) and surely the word "now" has no place at all in that sentence.

[dammy]

The fastest PPC processor available in the Amiga community and modern PCIe expansion slots.
This board operates at almost twice what the SaM460 does and the processor includes AltiVec instructions that the APM based SAMs don't have.
As it is due to be released long before G5 support is introduced for MorphOS, it now turns the performance crown over to AOS.

For PPC, AROS still owns the fastest hardware since it's x86/x86_64 based.

You get a chance to buy a system based on a really neat PPC that probably would have helped Apple raise the performance of its laptops if they had not moved to X86.

That would have been an impressive statement, six years ago.  Today your talking about dusty boxes sitting in a warehouse for multiple years.

Its just a damned nice piece of Amiga hardware.
Any other stupid questions?

It's not an Amiga, it's a AmigaOne.

[lsmart]

Problem for the A1X1K is OS4 only runs on one CPU core, second can't be used.

You can use both cores. And what is more: You can use Xena. And it will get easier to do so. OS4 won't stop you from using any of the HWs features and Hyperion is planning some pretty advanced stuff themselves. Their part may take some time though.

[Iggy]

That is to be seen.



That is to be seen (remember how underperforming OS4 was when tested on Peg2 against MorphOS) and surely the word "now" has no place at all in that sentence.

All premature, sorry. Until we see actual benchmarks its all a moot point.
But the machine has the potential to be a real game changer.
Pity it doesn't run MorphOS.

Have you seen this reference yet?

http://www.ll.mit.edu/HPEC/agendas/proc08/Day3/C1-Bueno-Poster.pdf

[lsmart]

People want SMP for multicore support.

SMP means different things to different people, but Amiga users know that symmetry is not the only road to success (think Paula). Hyperion has some conceps and ideas they haven't talked much about yet, but at Amiwest you could tell they know their stuff and are ready to go beyond just copying what is found elsewhere.

[WolfToTheMoon]

SMP means different things to different people, but Amiga users know that symmetry is not the only road to success (think Paula). Hyperion has some conceps and ideas they haven't talked much about yet, but at Amiwest you could tell they know their stuff and are ready to go beyond just copying what is found elsewhere.

Is this the same Hyperion that said they were having high hopes for OS4 in the embedded market and web kiosks? The same Hyperion who is yet to release the USB 2.0 functionality in OS4? Color me suspicious...

[dammy]

You can use both cores. And what is more: You can use Xena. And it will get easier to do so. OS4 won't stop you from using any of the HWs features and Hyperion is planning some pretty advanced stuff themselves. Their part may take some time though.

You and I both know when the A1X1K is released, OS4 is not going to be SMP.  Who will want to use Xena and for what purpose when they get their A1X1K out of the box?  I'm sure Hyperion has some loft dreams they want OS4 to reach, but that is a long way from reality.

[Iggy]

For PPC, AROS still owns the fastest hardware since it's x86/x86_64 based.



That would have been an impressive statement, six years ago.  Today your talking about dusty boxes sitting in a warehouse for multiple years.



It's not an Amiga, it's a AmigaOne.

AROS is an X86 product, that was not the point. I was taliking about PPC. And AROS still runs on one core. Should Hyperion be able utilize both cores that would give AOS an advantage over AROS.

It's not an Amiga, it's a AmigaOne

Yes, I forgot its an AmigaOne that runs AmigaOS, currently planned "Amigas" will be Windows boxes.

Dammy, you'd shit on anything, and I'm not impressed with your opinions.

If I had the money, I'd buy an X1000. I'm sure that there are enough people that will buy one. I'm completely impressed with the machine, and intend to continue to use "dusty" PPC boxes.

[dammy]

SMP means different things to different people, but Amiga users know that symmetry is not the only road to success (think Paula). Hyperion has some conceps and ideas they haven't talked much about yet, but at Amiwest you could tell they know their stuff and are ready to go beyond just copying what is found elsewhere.

I would say the definition of SMP is straight forward: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing

[WolfToTheMoon]

You and I both know when the A1X1K is released, OS4 is not going to be SMP.  Who will want to use Xena and for what purpose when they get their A1X1K out of the box?  I'm sure Hyperion has some loft dreams they want OS4 to reach, but that is a long way from reality.

Yes, more to the point... as there will be no Xorro expension cards apart from those home made ones, who will be crazy enough to try them out and possibly fry their 3000$ X1000 in the process. That is, assuming that OS4 ever gets the official software support for XMOS chips...

There is a reason why you do not see these hobbyist boards like XMOS and Arduino integrated on the MBs elsewhere...