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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #119 on: March 14, 2011, 03:43:53 AM »
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The american news media outlets only seek to frighten and terrorize you. It was a hoax

Yeah, tell that to the 25 year old in Crescent City man who died after being swept into the ocean.

It didn't hit you very hard.  That's good.
It didn't hit us very hard either on the central Oregon Coast.

But it did affect Southern Oregon and Northern California's coast more...
There was quite a bit a damage to some marina's and multiple people were swept out to sea.  Luckily I believe there was only the one death on this coast...

Does the media try to scare you?  Of course they do...
Does that mean everything they mention is a hoax?  Of course not..

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #120 on: March 14, 2011, 03:46:25 AM »
Of course of course. Science is good, but we must never forget eugenics and what that so called sound proof and logical science brought about.

Likewise we must never forget the mysteries that are shoved in our face time and time again, I.E. a certain deaf pianist who by the age of three were writing great symphonies, or the American soldier who during world war II was bumped on the head, came to, and was speaking an ancient russian dialect that he never had learned before and had not been used in YEARS. Later he passed back out and awoke again speaking English having no memory of waking up before speaking ancient Russian.

Of course I have my own personal experiences that stand firm against the socially accepted norms (well the norms of non-natives of city dwellers), but alas they are personal and can not be proven, especially to the great majority who seem to be nothing more than what B.F. Skinner insisted we were...

...animals walking on two feet with nothing in mind but their own self preservation, sex, comfort, and food. Devoid of dreams, devoid of mystery, trapped in the 2D mundane.

magnetic: All nation's media are the modern incarnation of the Church of old. They remind me of this picture...

A child is born and thrown into a room with many windows. The person who threw the child into the room wanted to shield that child from certain aspects of reality, and over expose him to another limited sphere or reality or prefabricated reality. So this oppressor puts up boards over the windows that he does not want to child to view out of. He blocks all the doors, and keeps him focussed on the windows that relate to reality that conforms to the ideologies the oppressor wants the child to be assimilated into.

If the child becomes bored with the windows he is left with, then the oppressor merely needs to increase the lighting, give the view glitter, a bang and a boom, make it exciting!

If the child requires more depth and does not fall for this, then emotion is manipulated, and the child is made to feel bad in some way for not wanting to look out that window. Or sex, we all want sex so sex appeal is always a sure bet. Anything to keep that child focussed on that one, finite, reality and or prefab reality.

Also if you want a child to be a stranger to history, you simply rewrite it with your self as the hero, then refuse to give the opressed any camera time, or simply kill them all and write up a terror story insisting that they were a threat... WACO, Native Americans, hell even Andrew Jackson. I bet no one has any clue why his image on the $20 dollar bill is utterly and horribly ironic. I bet no one remembers who destroyed Britian all those years ago... A certain banking clan...

 Another thing to consider is that no great inventor or what have you ever came up with his ideas by reading books (the thoughts of other men). Books, and other media related reality while good, also have down sides, like limiting our sphere of potential reality. They on the one hand open new worlds, but on the other hand eventually suffocate us with their borders. Sure we can take old ideas and improve upon them, but books can not provide the world with knew knowledge. Sure it can provide the individual with something they did not know before and they can expand upon that and improve it, but he will never innovate and bring forth mystery or something that has not been done before as he will still be working within the frame of a box.
In order to bring about things that have not been seen before or dreamed up by the mind of man we must "let go our conscious self and act on instinct." to quote an old friend. ;)

The greatest things we have ever seen came from the very ancient world and we still have no logical or scientific reason for how these things came to be. In fact many, most people have never heard of or seen such things. There light is out for what ever reason.
Now granted you will hear many theories being passed as fact such as the notion that slave built the Pyramids and the like, but really, we don't know. We just know that that was impossible, but it's still being taught as truth. And as for those things even more crazy and confusing and amazing and mysterious than Giza...

...we hardly hear so much as a word about them except maybe in that silly show Ancient Aliens which is all fine and well, but I'm tired of some of the goofs they interview for the show, and the fact that everything is alien centric. Not that there are no aliens, but...

...well I'm tired of typing, I think you get what I mean.
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #121 on: March 14, 2011, 04:17:51 AM »
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I live almost right on Zuma Beach in Malibu, ca this joke of a tsunami was only 3 foot waves. (normal like any other good day of waves on the beach)

The american news media outlets only seek to frighten and terrorize you. It was a hoax

It's not the height of the waves that make the tsunami powerful it's the volume.
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #122 on: March 14, 2011, 04:59:20 AM »
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Of course of course. Science is good, but we must never forget eugenics and what that so called sound proof and logical science brought about.


Again, science is not concerned with morality. Thats why we have philosophy.
Is a computer evil? What about a cure for cancer? Irrigation? Modern fertilisers? Reaching the moon?

Morality is irrelevant to the examination of the world.

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Likewise we must never forget the mysteries that are shoved in our face time and time again, I.E. a certain deaf pianist who by the age of three were writing great symphonies, or the American soldier who during world war II was bumped on the head, came to, and was speaking an ancient russian dialect that he never had learned before and had not been used in YEARS. Later he passed back out and awoke again speaking English having no memory of waking up before speaking ancient Russian.

Amusing anecdotes are great, but just because something is not currently explainable,does not mean it is forever unexplainable.

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nothing in mind but their own self preservation, sex, comfort, and food. Devoid of dreams, devoid of mystery, trapped in the 2D mundane.


like what? the men who mapped the genome? figured out how atoms are built? sent us to the moon? created computers and the internet?

Mankind is the most marvelous creatures ever to exist

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 Another thing to consider is that no great inventor or what have you ever came up with his ideas by reading books (the thoughts of other men).


Have you gone off the deep end mate? Virtually everything created builds on the advances made before us. We couldn't have split the atom or mapped the genome or invented flight or any of thethings we have achieved, without drawing on the experiences, theories and tests done by those before us.

Literacy is the single greatest advance made by the human race, allowing knowledge to be preserved, so each generation can build upon it, rather than start from scratch.

Do you think Jay Miner would have had time to create the amiga, if he had to invent electricity first?

And if the theories can be disproven, they can be cast aside and replaced with a new model that better explains the world, and permits new discoveries and wonders

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Now granted you will hear many theories being passed as fact such as the notion that slave built the Pyramids and the like, but really, we don't know. We just know that that was impossible, but it's still being taught as truth. And as for those things even more crazy and confusing and amazing and mysterious than Giza...


I'll take slaves over aliens. I can prove the existence of one,and evidence of the other is gloriously absent.

Nobody thinks it was impossible to build the pyramids. Just requires a great knowledge of math, maybe one of the most fundamental corner stones of science.



You know, im a pretty big fan of yours, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree here mate :)
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #123 on: March 14, 2011, 06:04:16 AM »
I find XDelusion's screen name quite fitting ;)
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #124 on: March 14, 2011, 05:35:34 PM »
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Of course! Science is a fact.



incorrect. Science is LOOKING for facts. LOOKING for reality. and only through testing and experimentation do we make sure we really have it correctly.

like many people you simply don't understand

religion is about faith. taking someone's opinions and making it the center of your life.

science is about discipline and scepticism. it takes hard work. which is why many people run from it
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #125 on: March 14, 2011, 05:36:51 PM »
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Hey, take it to Fox, or CNN. Whichever you prefer.


the news media don't care about reality. they want to feed you pablum
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #126 on: March 14, 2011, 05:38:15 PM »
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Science is not about morality. Its about testing and examining the world.
 
That views can change in the light of evidence is a strength, not a weakness.

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #127 on: March 14, 2011, 05:45:26 PM »
@ ceilla

I believe in science for the most part, but even scientists get it wrong and sometimes (in fact quite often) and can't agree with each other about their results and quite often try to de-bunk each others research... ;)

There is quite a lack of discipline in certain sections of the scientific community these days and it mostly seems to come from the same old faces that you see time and time again on documentaries on the likes of the Discovery channel... :)

Reckon myself some of these so called "Scientists" will do & say anything for their 15 minutes of fame... :rolleyes:
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #128 on: March 14, 2011, 06:15:16 PM »
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@ ceilla

I believe in science for the most part, but even scientists get it wrong and sometimes (in fact quite often) and can't agree with each other about their results and quite often try to de-bunk each others research... ;)

There is quite a lack of discipline in certain sections of the scientific community these days and it mostly seems to come from the same old faces that you see time and time again on documentaries on the likes of the Discovery channel... :)

Reckon myself some of these so called "Scientists" will do & say anything for their 15 minutes of fame... :rolleyes:
I think that you are mixing up the scientific community with the few scientists that appear on TV.

And yes, scientists try to "debunk" each others' work, because that's one of the most effective ways of attaining new knowledge. There are very few things that can be proven right off the bat (outside axiomatic systems like mathematics), but by setting up specific test cases to try and disprove theories you can rethink, remodel and learn a lot.

Scientists generally don't get things "wrong," either. Discoveries are presented as theories, models and data, and you'll rarely find any scientific research claiming to have attained absolute truth (because that notion in itself is scientifically unsound).

What we can expect from modern science, though, is a bunch of closer and increasingly accurate models of phenomena that would otherwise be incomprehensible to us.

Finally, science is not a system of belief. It should not be posed as if it was analogous or inherently opposed to personal faith, and you're not supposed to blindly accept scientific findings as truths.
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #129 on: March 14, 2011, 08:33:31 PM »
So what happens when nature strikes and all our scientific research & tools are lost, our books destroyed, the "experts" buried? :)
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #130 on: March 14, 2011, 08:52:26 PM »
Really science at times is about mistakes/getting things wrong. A few years ago, I asked a professor how he'd learned so much about a specific species of organism were raising in one labd. He told me that he'd learned from his mistakes. That he was probably aware of virtually every way there was to kill this organism and that if I wanted to work with them I was probably going to kill quite a few myself.
Science is definitely not all successes, but a process of weeding out the failed ideas.

Or as Dr. Weird would put it "This might work...This will never work!"
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #131 on: March 15, 2011, 02:00:36 AM »
I noticed that when I eat food, it later comes out my butt.
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #132 on: March 15, 2011, 02:20:44 AM »
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I noticed that when I eat food, it later comes out my butt.

Hey Xdelusion, if that's food coming out of your butt, why don't you eat it?

OK Guys (and Gals).  we've one explosion each at the Fukushima Daichi  complex's Reactors #1 and #3.
Now there has been an explosion at Unit #2 and radiation has increased four fold.
There are fears the reactor vessel may be damaged and the water level has dropped repeatedly in #2 exposing the fuel rods.
             Olli Heinonen, former deputy director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency                                                                       

"I think the situation is still very, very grim - we are by far not over the worst"


So, three reactors at one site, all possibly in danger of total meltdown, the  Japanese without further recourse (asking the US for assistance as these  reactors were US designed), and the US relocating the aircraft carrier  Ronald Reagan to avoid further contamination.

Anyone care to make further remarks minimizing the potential danger here?
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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #133 on: March 15, 2011, 02:27:24 AM »
@ Iggy

I switched of the telly to get away from this non stop reporting on these bloody reactors, do you work for FOX News or something... :rolleyes:

To be honest the sooner they blow the better, might shut down the net for a wee when all that radioactive dust goes up in the air and nocks out some communication satellites... :D

Once again, if it happens it happens... who cares... :)
 

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Re: Get off the beach! Tsunami coming!
« Reply #134 from previous page: March 15, 2011, 03:15:12 AM »
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Anyone care to make further remarks minimizing the potential danger here?

Sure..  because that's how some of us are..
We hope for the best..

Sometimes we're wrong..  I hope not...

I'd rather not worry about how bad it might be when there's nothing I can do about it..

You seem to revel in bringing up the worst possible outcomes..

This is a free country and you're allowed..

But again, I hope for the best, and deal with the worst when it happens..

The quote from you above almost sounds like you're gloating about being right???
That would be sad..  I hope also that it's not the case..

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