NTSC - what a bunch of junk

[TheBilgeRat]

While installing the 3.1 ROMS and WB3.1 in my A4000, I decided to give my motherboard the switchover to PAL as the defacto standard. HAving never bothered to run workbench in the PAL modes up until now, all I can say is NTSC is the most flickery POS I have ever seen.  Super Hi res mode in PAL has barely barely noticeable flicker.  I know it's kind of a moot point these days, but man did the US and anyone else on that crappy NTSC standard drop the ball.

[tone007]

Funny, I always thought PAL with its 50Hz refresh rate looked more flickery than NTSC at 60Hz...  Maybe interlacing is less offensive at 50Hz?  I generally don't touch interlaced modes with a 10 foot pole unless a flickerfixer is involved.

[ChaosLord]

I decided to give my motherboard the switchover to PAL as the defacto standard.

What does that even mean?  You got out an exacto knife and started chopping traces?

HAving never bothered to run workbench in the PAL modes up until now, all I can say is NTSC is the most flickery POS I have ever seen.  Super Hi res mode in PAL has barely barely noticeable flicker.  I know it's kind of a moot point these days, but man did the US and anyone else on that crappy NTSC standard drop the ball.

The nicest thing I can say to you right now is "WTF!?"

Whatever video you are viewing, it is NOT NTSC.

Nothing in your entire message makes any sense at all.
Are you drunk?  or on some kind of medication?

[Ruud]

I was pleasantly surprised to discover that interlace modes that were unbearable on my old CRT equipment are now quite usable on my LCD TV with an RGB SCART lead.

[tone007]

What does that even mean?  You got out an exacto knife and started chopping traces?

There is a PAL/NTSC jumper on the A4000/A4000T motherboards.

[ChaosLord]

@Tone007
Nowhere in his post did he say anything about using interlace.

He said "Super Hi res" which makes me wonder if he is using one of those dreadful flickerfixers that is allergic to SuperHiRes mode.

[ChaosLord]

There is a PAL/NTSC jumper on the A4000/A4000T motherboards.

Are you 100% sure about that?
I owned an A4000 for a few years before it broke and I don't remember any such jumper in mine.  I wanted one because my A3000 had one and I put a switch on it (which I then permanently left in PAL mode for game compatibility reasons).

Maybe I had the PAL jumper in my A4000 and forgot about it because I wanted to avoid the flickery PAL video for doing DTP work.  I donno.

[tone007]

Are you 100% sure about that?

Yes.

http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/photo2.pl?id=a4000&pg=1&res=hi&lang=en

Right by the joystick/mouse ports.

[ChaosLord]

@Tone007
I bought one of the very first A4000s.  Maybe that explains it.

[Khephren]

While installing the 3.1 ROMS and WB3.1 in my A4000, I decided to give my motherboard the switchover to PAL as the defacto standard. HAving never bothered to run workbench in the PAL modes up until now, all I can say is NTSC is the most flickery POS I have ever seen.  Super Hi res mode in PAL has barely barely noticeable flicker.  I know it's kind of a moot point these days, but man did the US and anyone else on that crappy NTSC standard drop the ball.

hmm, NTSC should indeed be less flickery. Is your TV definitely NTSC?

@Chaoslord

"Are you drunk? or on some kind of medication?" bit much don't you think?

[TheBilgeRat]

What does that even mean?  You got out an exacto knife and started chopping traces?

No, I switched the jumper from "NTSC" to "PAL".

The nicest thing I can say to you right now is "WTF!?"

Whatever video you are viewing, it is NOT NTSC.

Nothing in your entire message makes any sense at all.
Are you drunk?  or on some kind of medication?

Not drunk or on meds.  Could be lack of sleep?

[commodorejohn]

NTSC resolutions look perfectly fine on my NTSC equipment - I've never seen any kind of flickering with any of it unless it's running in an interlaced mode (which it isn't, ever, because I hate interlacing.) There's certainly complaints to be made about the smaller vertical resolution, but if you're getting serious flicker in non-interlaced modes, something's probably screwed up.

[TheBilgeRat]

hmm, NTSC should indeed be less flickery. Is your TV definitely NTSC?

Its a 1084S using the monitor cable that it came with.  It is definitely old and has issues, but for some reason the non laced superhires PAL mode looks a lot better than its NTSC equivalent.

[TheBilgeRat]

NTSC resolutions look perfectly fine on my NTSC equipment - I've never seen any kind of flickering with any of it unless it's running in an interlaced mode (which it isn't, ever, because I hate interlacing.) There's certainly complaints to be made about the smaller vertical resolution, but if you're getting serious flicker in non-interlaced modes, something's probably screwed up.

that is probably the case, actually.  This monitor has seen better days.  Maybe the freq PAL is on isn't as "used up"  :lol:

[ChaosLord]

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@Chaoslord

"Are you drunk? or on some kind of medication?" bit much don't you think?

No.
It was a serious question.
I was hoping he would say yes, as the alternatives that I am thinking of are horrifically scary. That his motherboard has braindamage, or he suffering a stroke at this very moment or having some kind of seizure like that newslady had.

Nothing about his post makes any sense at all.

1. Switching from PAL to NTSC is an effortless thing done with software not hardware.

One switches to NTSC mode by one of the following methods:
A: Run a little proggy, such as PALboot, NTSCboot, Degrader, etc.
B: Hold down both mouse buttons at powerup and use the early startup-menu to switch between PAL and NTSC by pressing the space bar.
C: From workbench, you can select an NTSC screenmode at any time.

All 3 of those options are easier than opening the case, and pulling all kinds of hardware out of the computer so that one can see the motherboard and then moving a jumper and putting it all back together again.

Any A4000 can switch in and out of PAL mode instantly, at the user's command.  If one has a strange monitor that freaks out with NTSC signals then one can instantly change back.

2. NTSC is less flickery than PAL.