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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2011, 09:08:14 PM »
hah, certainly consumer choice largely ended.

It blows my mind how many computers existed in the 8 bit era, each with significant software libraries of their own. Spectrum, The commodore and atari machines, msx, amstrad cpc, bbc micro, undoubtedly more stuff I am forgetting about :)

Move up a bit and we are mostly down to amiga, atari, ibm-clones and mac's.

And today, you can pick between a PC running windows, a PC running mac os, and a PC running linux.
 

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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2011, 09:29:55 PM »
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It blows my mind how many computers existed in the 8 bit era, each with significant software libraries of their own. Spectrum, The commodore and atari machines, msx, amstrad cpc, bbc micro, undoubtedly more stuff I am forgetting about :)
This. If I could bring back one thing about the '80s, it would be the absolutely enormous variety of significantly different computers available to the public.
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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2011, 09:41:24 PM »
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This. If I could bring back one thing about the '80s, it would be the absolutely enormous variety of significantly different computers available to the public.



Yeah bring back "Incompatible", lets revel in the lack of standards.

That's when you didn't choose to be different, it was forced upon you.
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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2011, 09:44:00 PM »
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Yeah bring back "Incompatible", lets revel in the lack of standards.

That's when you didn't choose to be different, it was forced upon you.

Microsoft office would like to talk to you about that, but it can't because you're not running the same version.
 

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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2011, 09:53:39 PM »
LOL  anyone see what he wrote for Apple Macintosh No.24 and his reason for it being on the list...: First "affordable" GUI-based PC....d'oh!

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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2011, 09:55:45 PM »
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Microsoft office would like to talk to you about that, but it can't because you're not running the same version.


Microsoft were still a tiny software house out of Albuquerque. M$ Office wasn't even in the Roadmap, even if they had a road map.

While Taiwan standardised, IBM then Compaq bastardised as did Apple and the rest.

I never said the road to compatibility was solely a x86 affair, but the 8bit Wild West that was the 80's wasn't good yet it did sort the men from the boys.
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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2011, 11:01:40 PM »
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hah, certainly consumer choice largely ended.

It blows my mind how many computers existed in the 8 bit era, each with significant software libraries of their own. Spectrum, The commodore and atari machines, msx, amstrad cpc, bbc micro, undoubtedly more stuff I am forgetting about :)



Yeah, there were a lot of them back in the Elder Days. Just pick up a copy of Byte, Kilobaud, or Creative Computers from that era. I had an Atari 800 and later a 1200XL. I can remember seeing the Exidy Sourcerer in the store, complete with software carts made from recycled 8-track tape shells. ;-) . Even saw an apple I board.  

Of course in those days, having a computer was a goal in itself, not just a means to an end like today.
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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2011, 11:09:40 PM »
I don't think much effort was put into the article. If you did it right you would research every country first. Amiga was very popular in Europe, but didn't make a dent (other than the A500) in the US.
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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2011, 11:11:48 PM »
Ah, the good old days. When you were convinced that one day everyone would have a computer, but you weren't too sure what they'd be using them for.
And while you quietly advocating their purchase you had to explain to your
Uncle Ned that balancing his checkbook was probably not a good reason to buy one.
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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2011, 11:22:58 PM »
The 80's will never be beaten for being the most innovative & exiting time for being a home computer user, quite apart from the seemingly never ending choice of home computers that were constantly popping up more often than a CUSA thread, it was a time when you actually had to use your brain just to get the things to work properly... :)

None of this straight out the box plug'n'play stuff for softies, more a case of I've just bought a VIC20 and no one told me I need a tape deck for it to use the ruddy thing, but you could type in the simple basic programs in the magazine you'd just bought as well and play that. Then spend another hour or two typing it in again next time you wanted to use it cos you still didn't have the tape deck to save it on... :)

It was a time when all the high street shops were packed out on a Saturday morning with all these spotty faced kids & teenagers that you met each week who spent hours droolling and arguing about which cassettes to spend all your hard earned pay or pocket money on that week and typing rude words on all the different computers that were on display, knowing that you'd never be kicked out of the shop cos the manager knew that eventually you'd soon part with your cash for all the latest games and then bugger off... :)

Course it was from these Saturday morning meetings in the high street shops or the specialised shops hidden down dark dingy lanes were you had to dodge the old tramps sleeping & puking in the doorways where lots of the user groups and cracking crews started. Don't really see or hear much of that these days in the likes of PCWorld or your local toffee nosed Mac dealers... :)

Twas indeed a wonderful time to be a home computer user and I've still got the scars to prove it... :)
 

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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2011, 11:36:05 PM »
Compatibility/standardised=Not the best

8 bit = MSX vs others with better sound/sprites/colours.
16 bit = EGA PC 8086 vs Amiga/ST
32/64bit = PC vs $200 360 (as a gamer)

Also no personality/quirkyness outside console hardware wars today.
 

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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2011, 11:50:20 PM »
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Compatibility/standardised=Not the best

8 bit = MSX vs others with better sound/sprites/colours.
16 bit = EGA PC 8086 vs Amiga/ST
32/64bit = PC vs $200 360 (as a gamer)

Also no personality/quirkyness outside console hardware wars today.


Consoles which all use processors designed by the same company and are derived from PowerPC processors.
The top two selling consoles having GPUs designed by the same firm, and the third ranking seller using a GPU from that company's biggest rival.

Yeah, they're quirky, but the let's face it they're also standardized (more so than PCs). You can't even modify them, create your own software or use anything but officially sanctioned software.

What happened to the first part of your argument?
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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2011, 11:52:28 PM »
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Microsoft office would like to talk to you about that, but it can't because you're not running the same version.
Or most of Adobe's products. Or MS-DOS programs/games. Or Win95 apps and games. Or Mac OS9 apps and games. OR...

@Commodorejohn: good one, but if you're "lucky", there *may* be a patch available for your particular hardware and OS. *IF* you're lucky. And hopefully it doesn't mess with Windows so much that it causes your other programs to NOT work afterwards.
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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2011, 12:20:50 AM »
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Yeah bring back "Incompatible", lets revel in the lack of standards.

That's when you didn't choose to be different, it was forced upon you.
Right, right. It was quite the hassle tracking down the appropriate version of a piece of software for your hardware, admittedly. It's much better today, where it just refuses to run on anything older than three years.
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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2011, 12:32:04 AM »
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Apparently preemptive multitasking is not considered a milestone.
In combination with a GUI and custom chipset.
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Re: The 25 Most Important PCs in History
« Reply #29 from previous page: February 12, 2011, 01:29:07 AM »
If your willing to use the standards of the 8-bit era, there are dramatically MORE choices today than there ever were.  If you are comparing the computers to top of the line PCs, no.  The x86 PC has vastly outpaced everything else out there, but if you are willing to hack on a screen yourself, and put together your own keyboard, you have a huge choice.

Heck Microchip technology is actively selling a couple of hundred different models alone, ranging from 8-bit to 32-bit.