To hell with it.

[Franko]

That is what Amiga.org is all about.





Amiga fun and discussion.

I did start to type a rather long post in reply to you here but it ended up like a bumper sized edition of War & Peace with all three volumes of Lord Of The Rings thrown in, so after reading it I thought to meself "haud yer hoarses ya whahoo ye whit ra feck ur ye typein awe ris jobbies fur ya dunderheed ye, who gives a keech anywie an whit ra hell diz any o it matter at ra end o ra day", so instead I'll just say...

[jj]

I like the way you started a thread about it saying you were not starting anymore threads about it  

[persia]

Exactly, as each person enters or exits the conversation about C=USA they *must* post a thread about it!

I like the way you started a thread about it saying you were not starting anymore threads about it  

[coldfish]

On my ACA 030/56 card, Doomattack runs really good. What made a lot of people give up on their miggy's for these sort of games was running them on unexpanded 1200s I think.
Nobody in the PC world expected a 286 to run Doom, but us amiga users were used to our humble little 7mhz machine pulling off miracles

Yeah, at least the Amiga was something you didnt have to upgrade every five minutes.  And the A500 was silly expensive to upgrade anyway.  That platform got milked for almost 10 years, something a lot of other platforms would be envious of.  But the advent of 3D gaming and fast 16M colour 2D had the A500 showing its age, sadly.

PC users were used to upgrading their machines often and fairly cheaply.  When I got an A1200 It opened up inexpensive upgrades.  I got a 030@40Mhz card with 64MB and 68882 and was satisfied with that for a long time, but the flow of software eventually slowed to a trickle and a PPC upgrade wasnt good value to me, hence I defected.  

[zipper]

I really wish I could find a copy of Citadel that would work with my 1200. Seems like every processor I've thrown at it fails.

Have you tried the Back2roots version? (the win32 version works fine for me...)
The WHDLoad installer supports:
SUPPORTED VERSION:
- english version published by Black Legend (supported by Jeff)
- poland version "Cytadela" (supported by Krzysztof Zeglen)

[runequester]

I like the way you started a thread about it saying you were not starting anymore threads about it  

hah, touche good sir

[runequester]

Yeah, at least the Amiga was something you didnt have to upgrade every five minutes.  And the A500 was silly expensive to upgrade anyway.  That platform got milked for almost 10 years, something a lot of other platforms would be envious of.  But the advent of 3D gaming and fast 16M colour 2D had the A500 showing its age, sadly.

PC users were used to upgrading their machines often and fairly cheaply.  When I got an A1200 It opened up inexpensive upgrades.  I got a 030@40Mhz card with 64MB and 68882 and was satisfied with that for a long time, but the flow of software eventually slowed to a trickle and a PPC upgrade wasnt good value to me, hence I defected.  

I think a lot of it too was the original cost of the machine. Paying 500 dollars to upgrade a 600 dollar amiga seemed very steep, while 500 dollars to upgrade a 1300 dollar PC seemed pretty reasonable.

[desiv]

I think a lot of it too was the original cost of the machine. Paying 500 dollars to upgrade a 600 dollar amiga seemed very steep, while 500 dollars to upgrade a 1300 dollar PC seemed pretty reasonable.

That was basically it for me..
Also, it was cheaper than that for me to get my first 486.
At the time, there was a thriving "upgrade your PC" market, and I would help people upgrade, and frequently get the leftovers.
So, I had no problem getting a case, PSU, hard disk, even a VGA monitor (bad cable, I fixed that) for free...
All I have to buy was a motherboard and CPU, so I was able to get my first "doomable" PC (486, I had older PCs before that) for under $200.

Upgrading my Amiga at the time would have been something like $400-$500 for the accelerator, and then I still had to add memory...
(I can't remember, but I know when I looked, it was something I couldn't afford at the time..)

And that would have been so I could run a few games better, but most didn't get any improvement from it.

desiv

[Khephren]

The thing I liked about the Amiga (and to some extent, consoles)  was the fixed, but exploitable hardware, encouraging artists/programmers to improve their skills, rather just expecting users to upgrade.
constant need to upgrade is why I stopped playing PC games. now consoles are dictating the pace, i find myself using the PC a bit more for games.
saying that though, the A1200 spec was to low at lauch to stick with for 5 years.

[JC]

I prefered Gloom Deluxe & AB3D, reckon these two were the best of their kind on the miggie...

Gloom was fun but Breathless was fantastic.

[Digiman]

Upgrading my Amiga at the time would have been something like $400-$500 for the accelerator, and then I still had to add memory...
(I can't remember, but I know when I looked, it was something I couldn't afford at the time..)

And that would have been so I could run a few games better, but most didn't get any improvement from it.

desiv

Bingo.

For PC
New VGA card = 256 colour games. New CPU = ALL games from Elite to Super Stardust are faster and smoother. New sound card = better music/SFX.

For Amiga
Need 256 colours? Go buy a NEW and TOO SLOW A1200
Buy 24bit card = only supported by serious software.
Buy an accelerator = 3D games in same dodgy 8 colours run faster...everything else like Xenon II is still rubbish and slow and pathetic
Buy a 16bit/12bit sound card = sample playback for music work...same 4 channel 8 bit sound in all games.

This is why months after buying an A1200 people refused to pay £700 for an 060 to play badly ported arcade games just as badly etc from the OCS/ECS days. Nothing improved number of sound channels either etc. Or gave you chunky screen mode for super fast 256 colour graphics needed for Doom.

And the £1000 A4000/030 was barely faster than the A1200+Blizzard 1220/4 card...but cost £500 MORE than said A1200+28mhz 020 accelerator. Arcade games still were inferior to multiparallax Sega/Nintendo £100 console too.

A4000/040 at £2000 = forget it unless you are just doing serious work (Although 4000/030 + 060 Blizz/Cyb card was the smart choice really)

And so endeth the discussion on why we didn't upgrade our A1200s anyway and why 486 PCs for £600 in 1994 capable of running full screen Doom with 16bit SFX were outselling the A4000/030 which couldn't even trounce a SNES/Megadrive let alone £350 A1200 + £100 for 4mb fast RAM AKA 16mhz 386 PC speeds.

But that's all because OCS <---7 years--->AGA was too long before an update and still the sound was the same and so was the bloody blitter!! I didn't like PC but they had a better value for money experience when upgrading their machines.

[Franko]

Been busy today...

Just thought I'd stop by and say...

Wheeeee....

[runequester]

alright guys, enough with the PC's
any requests for a thread topic before tonight?
 
otherwise its gonna be the FPS games

[Digiman]

Was talking about why gamers (500/1200 owners) didn't spend truckloads on RTG/PPC upgrades myself

[Kesa]

Why is A.org so warm and fuzzy all of a sudden? It feels like we have had a big argument and have just made up so everyones being nice to everyone

[Franko]

Why is A.org so warm and fuzzy all of a sudden? It feels like we have had a big argument and have just made up so everyones being nice to everyone