No really, I do support commodore usa.

[orb85750]

But CUSA apparently has not heard this cliche quite often enough: Actions speak louder than words.  I'm not sure I've ever heard so much hype related to Amiga -- they've even surpassed Amiga Inc. in a very short time (well, maybe).

[Belial6]

They have stated that they have a license to the Kickstarts and Workbenches.  That they do intend to make it AmigaOS friendly.  They have also stated that while AROS isn't a viable option for them, they are perfectly happy having people install it on their hardware.

[runequester]

i have very little interest in the hardware, though id at least consider an A500 looking case.
 
if they manage to produce a linux desktop environment that feels and works like amigaos, id be all over that. can these guys actually accomplish something comparable to the Gnome and KDE teams in less time, and nothing to show? time will tell

[XDelusion]

They have stated that they have a license to the Kickstarts and Workbenches.  That they do intend to make it AmigaOS friendly.  They have also stated that while AROS isn't a viable option for them, they are perfectly happy having people install it on their hardware.

They got the rights to Kickstart roms and Workbench? Hmm...

Well, we'll see. Should be fun one way or another, but on a human level, I hope dude man does not fail to realize his dreams. It would be sad to see him throw so much time, money, and energy away.

[Franko]

I get it now... if you only say nice & wonderful things about CUSA the thread stays open... :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

[obscurepanic]

They have also stated that while AROS isn't a viable option for them

CUSA should have developed a separate AROS distro instead. Of course, under a mutual agreement with the AROS team. I don't like the idea of having a half-baked Linux-based distro in the name of AmigaOS.

[smerf]

I get it now... if you only say nice & wonderful things about CUSA the thread stays open... :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Hi,

@Franko,


LOL, LOFL,

smerf

[kedawa]

I think it would be for the best if CUSA just stuck with making C= and Amiga themed computer cases and selling them as such.

[J-Golden]

I understand your point of view, but there are some arguments to be made against C-USA. I mean, sure, they are "bringing the Commodore/Amiga back", but are they, really?

I'd have to say yes.  They are making a physical machine with a specific OS.  Are they using off the shelf Hardware?  Yes, they are.  Is the OS based off a preexisting Kernal?  Yes, it is.
 
But doing it this way means they are not starting from scratch which would cost much more money.  It also means faster updates and upgrades.
 

From some perspectives, all they are really doing is taking standard x86 PCs and putting a Commodore logo and case around them with a special suite of emulation software pre-installed. Workbench 5.0 sounds interesting, yes, but the question remains of if it will remain true to the old Amiga Workbench.

I think what you just said is what makes the difference.  It is also ambigous.  If you by a Dell, Compaq or any other PC, you get Windows.  What do you think will come on this CUSA machine?  NOT Windows!!!  it will be a custom made enviroment which sounds like it will run Amiga native software transparently.
 

I mean, really, the whole thing comes down to one's personal opinion of what makes an Amiga an Amiga. Is PowerPC Amiga? Is AROS Amiga? Or is Amiga simply 68k with the custom chipset?

And that is the problem.  There is no one "Amiga" anymore.  You could even go further and ask if PPC is Amiga.  No Amiga company MADE a PPC processor...
 
So, I can garuntee not everyone will like the final product.  There will be "problems" with the choice of hardware, how things are implimented, does it have MUI built in...  whatever.  CUSA cannot make it so everyone will like it.  What they can do is create a competative piece of hardware that might actually make it onto a store shelf and get into the hands of people who need an OS that has support and ISN'T Windows...
 
My 2-bits...

[Manu]

This is how I see it,

AROS/OS4/MorphOS takes Amiga OS to modern computing while caring for that even
old native software works. Programs from Linux are ported at the rate they can be done but the rate will be veeery slooow due to the small amount of devs.

CUSA's goes the opposite route take modern computing and adopt Amiga User interface to it and while it will without no doubt take a very long time to get that right too and to have that solution to run Amiga software in emulation (I expect) you will always have the possibilty to run your everyday open source software on the same machine too without having to have two reboot to the other OS installed.

When all these OSes above have evolved they will actually be quite alike all four of them.
And most users will run the old stuff in some form of emulation be it UAE or JIT but the productivity (serious) stuff will come from the Linux world.

That's why I can accept all solutions above, they are all heading the same direction.

[danwood]

 
And that is the problem.  There is no one "Amiga" anymore.  You could even go further and ask if PPC is Amiga.  No Amiga company MADE a PPC processor...
 
So, I can garuntee not everyone will like the final product.  There will be "problems" with the choice of hardware, how things are implimented, does it have MUI built in...  whatever.  CUSA cannot make it so everyone will like it.  What they can do is create a competative piece of hardware that might actually make it onto a store shelf and get into the hands of people who need an OS that has support and ISN'T Windows...
 
My 2-bits...

But why would anyone outside the " retro" community choose it?  Why choose a CUSA machine over a Mac or Dell running Ubuntu?  Because it looks like an 80s computer and might be set up to run 20-25 year old apps via emulation?  That's basically their only marketing "attractions"' both of which will actually be negatives to most people in 2011.

There is no viable business model here.

[Dandy]

Eghh...

I must admit, if they made a Linux distro that booted into an Amiga like environment, and could pretty well self configure itself using and Amiga Forever CD, I'd prolly use it...

You could have that already today, if you really wanted - you'd just have to do it yourself - get an second hand linux box and install UAE & AmigaOS 3.x ...

...assuming AROS was not an option and that this distro was REALLY resource friendly.

That's an interesting idea - getting a linux distro to work in 64 kB...

[klx300r]

@ haywirepc

ok fess up now...how much did Leo pay you outta that 30 million budget for this :roflmao:

[paolone]

CUSA should have developed a separate AROS distro instead. Of course, under a mutual agreement with the AROS team. I don't like the idea of having a half-baked Linux-based distro in the name of AmigaOS.

Please stop blaming CUSA for not doing this: they just couldn't.

This has to do with the settlement between Amiga Inc and Hyperion, which basically forbids the former (or any former's licensee) to sell an 'Amiga' computer with a "similar to AmigaOS" operating system. Not only: it also forbids Amiga Inc (and Commodore USA and, probably, even Cloanto and others) from publicly support and advertise such "similar to AmigaOS" operating systems. That's all.

[KThunder]

But why would anyone outside the " retro" community choose it?  Why choose a CUSA machine over a Mac or Dell running Ubuntu?  Because it looks like an 80s computer and might be set up to run 20-25 year old apps via emulation?  That's basically their only marketing "attractions"' both of which will actually be negatives to most people in 2011.

There is no viable business model here.

Why would anyone choose anything other than a beige boring case with the same exact wallpaper and apps. Why would anyone want more than one distro of linux.

Because they want to. Alienware computers sold pretty well for a long time. Ubunto is one of many great distros, and people like to customize their computers.

Why do people mod their computers for that matter? I have seen c64 and Amiga mods before, and heard comments from lots of people with fond memories of the original wishing they could mod their own machine.

Go to google and type in C64 case mod, or Ben Heckendorn C64 laptop, or Amiga case mod, there are lots of people interested in this. Way more than just us in the "retro" community.