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Offline nicholas

Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #209 from previous page: February 17, 2011, 12:21:08 AM »
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I'm 26 years old. Not sure what you are implying though...

As for your "that i know of" you have been defiant about Amigan laws and rights so i was assuming your statement was meant as fact. I'm sorry but i don't think "that i know of" was meant as modesty but as fact. It's not what words you use it's how you use them.

What are "Amigan laws"?
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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #210 on: February 17, 2011, 12:36:11 AM »
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What are "Amigan laws"?

All laws relevant to the Amiga brand. For example: who owns Amiga? who owns AOS4? CommodoreUSA, etc, etc
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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #211 on: February 17, 2011, 12:55:04 AM »
wow, I just don't understand the Cloanto hate AT ALL!!!

I have given my hard earned money to purchase Amiga Forever and am a happy costumer. It is a mature product that updates files, comes with historic videos, pictures etc. and various Amiga configurations that I can try all or some. It's not "just" roms.

and I get treated very respectfully. what the heck is wrong with some people??
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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #212 on: February 17, 2011, 01:13:17 AM »
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All laws relevant to the Amiga brand. For example: who owns Amiga? who owns AOS4? CommodoreUSA, etc, etc

I own both the names Commodore and Amiga, I also own the company Commodore Amiga.
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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #213 on: February 17, 2011, 01:45:25 AM »
Wowsers... :eek:

What's with the sudden the sudden let's attack or support Cloanto malarky in this thread... :confused:

Must be because the "they that shall not be named" threads have disappeared off the front page... :biglaugh:

Personally I've got nowt against Cloanto, as they seem quite happy to "give away" along with their products old games (even though they do claim that they have permission to do so) so to me Cloanto and their "Amiga/ C64 Forever" products are just encouraging people to find old games/apps online to use... :)

Lets face it and be honest here, how many folks who bought Amiga Forever to use on a PC had kept all their original (or even owned in the first place) games and then cracked/converted them to ADFs to use with Amiga Forever on their PC, not many I'd reckon... :)

Basically Cloantos "Forever" products just encourages folk to find old game or apps from all those online sites where you can either download them for free or worse pay these sites a fee for x amount or unlimited downloads and yet oddly I don't hear the copyright mafia screaming blue murder about Cloanto encouraging the use of old & still copyrighted software that can really only be obtained in such "illegal" ways these days... :rolleyes:

Amiga ROM images don't need "Amiga Forever" or a PC to use them, for example folks with real Amiga Hardware can use ROM images in the likes of BlizKick to name but one... :)

Me I just give them away totally free and in fact it costs me money to run the site, so who's really the baddie here... :)

(PS: I do own Cloantos Amiga Forever which I bough a few years ago and have had no use for it, not even the ROM images and why do they encode the ROM images on their CDs ")
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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #214 on: February 17, 2011, 02:53:11 AM »
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If you would please, and ask him where that barrel of oil is he promised me for certain favours I did when he MP for Glasgow Hillhead district... ;)


oh dear dare l say " has he got you over a barrell
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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #215 on: February 17, 2011, 02:53:47 AM »
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(PS: I do own Cloantos Amiga Forever which I bough a few years ago and have had no use for it, not even the ROM images and why do they encode the ROM images on their CDs ")

I can't say exactley why Cloanto encodes the ROM images, but my guess is that it was done to appease someone who claimed to own rights to the ROMs.
 
It might be worth asking Cloanto, who knows, they might answer.
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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #216 on: February 17, 2011, 03:05:14 AM »
@ actung_bab

I think it's an empty barrel, still one day old gorgeous George may just "Roll out the Barrel"... :)

@ AmigaEd

Not sure meself, but to be honest I don't know where all this Cloanto stuff has sprung up from, maybe it's the next big thing round here thread after thread about Cloanto and perhaps Red could do another in depth report/visit to their HQ (just need to make sure they don't slip him some more "Coke" this time...) :)
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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #217 on: February 17, 2011, 03:30:36 AM »
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I own both the names Commodore and Amiga, I also own the company Commodore Amiga.

Sorry nicholas - you don't own Commodore or Amiga. Are you really that arrogant?
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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #218 on: February 17, 2011, 04:04:09 AM »
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Sorry nicholas - you don't own Commodore or Amiga. Are you really that arrogant?
As far as I'm concerned, any one of us has a more legitimate claim to the names than a company that licensed them from a scavenger, which got them from a scavenger, etc.

Though at least Cloanto is using it for something actually Amiga-related, and that's more than you can say for some licensees...
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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #219 on: February 17, 2011, 04:49:21 AM »
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wow, I just don't understand the Cloanto hate AT ALL!!!

I have given my hard earned money to purchase Amiga Forever and am a happy costumer. It is a mature product that updates files, comes with historic videos, pictures etc. and various Amiga configurations that I can try all or some. It's not "just" roms.

and I get treated very respectfully. what the heck is wrong with some people??

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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #220 on: February 17, 2011, 04:54:33 AM »
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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #221 on: February 17, 2011, 04:57:44 AM »
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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #222 on: February 17, 2011, 07:11:10 AM »
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Lets face it and be honest here, how many folks who bought Amiga Forever  to use on a PC had kept all their original (or even owned in the first  place) games and then cracked/converted them to ADFs to use with Amiga  Forever on their PC, not many I'd reckon... :)
Ok I would support you on that part of it, if the Roms and Workbench where not legally for sale any where then I would support and understand you position. Simple fact they are.

If you really want the Kickstart to be free and open you should support the Kickstart Replacement effort, like Cloanto have. http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/6

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Me I just give them away totally free and in fact it costs me money to run the site, so who's really the baddie here...
Do you intend to support Amiga shows, put money towards bounty's and help further develop Amiga emulation? With money Cloanto raise that is what they do. You may not think your doing anything wrong and provide a service that a lot of other people already provide, but I like Amiga Forever and its program and hope it continues to be developed, your efforts only hurt them efforts by cloanto.
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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #223 on: February 17, 2011, 07:14:04 AM »
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Pluritas ... is currently accepting offers to acquire the worldwide rights to the AMIGA trademarks and associated intellectual property

This might be the part to focus on.
Imagine you are a bidder. You inquire with Pluritas as to what they are offering.
I should think Pluritas' attorneys would determine ownership before they inform you what you are bidding on, right?
Would this not be the easy way to put some of the mystery of ownership to bed?

Then again, if the response is along the lines of "we really don't know who owns what we're selling", that too would be enlightening.

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Of course the attorneys will present one clear ownership situation to a potential buyer, but the essence of my post was that views of the ownership situation *may vary*, that there are *many equally valid* paper traces to follow, and that the ownership can be challenged (in part or in whole) as soon as it becomes worth the hassle.

Like biggun said above, I simply don't think it's possible for *any* IP stakeholder to fully prove his ownership in Amiga OS.
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Re: Commodore Scotland Under Threat...
« Reply #224 on: February 17, 2011, 07:17:35 AM »
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wow, I just don't understand the Cloanto hate AT ALL!!!

I have given my hard earned money to purchase Amiga Forever and am a happy costumer. It is a mature product that updates files, comes with historic videos, pictures etc. and various Amiga configurations that I can try all or some. It's not "just" roms.

and I get treated very respectfully. what the heck is wrong with some people??


Cloanto is a very good company. I have bought both Personal Paint and two versions of Amiga Forever from them. Solid products, well worth supporting! :)
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