Commodore Scotland Under Threat...

[nicholas]

I think Franko is highlight here a very good question:

"Who does actually own AMIGA OS?"

I very much doubt that any of the parties claiming to own the OS can legally prove this.

I can, but the documents are all written in Farsi.

[NovaCoder]

I think Franko is highlight here a very good question:

"Who does actually own AMIGA OS?"

I very much doubt that any of the parties claiming to own the OS can legally prove this.

Well according to that well know Amiga history site it looks like nobody owns it.

I very much doubt that anyone could succesfully seek damages against someone giving away 3.1 ROMS or even OS 3.1 itself.

[Khephren]

I think Franko is highlight here a very good question:

"Who does actually own AMIGA OS?"

I very much doubt that any of the parties claiming to own the OS can legally prove this.

Gateway was the last rights holder after escom folded. A inc licenced the rights.
he who holds the rights, controls the rights  -(so says maud'dib of commodore iran)

I notice red has gone very quiet...and no pyro either?

[number6]

Well according to that well know Amiga history site it looks like nobody owns it.

I very much doubt that anyone could succesfully seek damages against someone giving away 3.1 ROMS or even OS 3.1 itself.

Although you must consider what has transpired since settlement, this thread still offers the best information from several different standpoints.

Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com

A lot of the pre-OS4.x angles are discussed here.
At the very least, it's a good starting point to understanding.

As with most amiga truths, most of it comes down to which posters you trust to be objective.

#6

[Franko]

At the end of the day I really don't give a monkey's who owns any of it...

If all these a-hole companies who claim to own it then why don't they do one of two things...

Release the damn stuff at a fair price so that folk looking for it can easily purchase it and don't give me the crap that you can legally buy it on Amiga Forever, why should someone who has no use for Amiga Forever be forced to purchase that to obtain just the Workbench disks or ROM images... :madashell:

Or cut the crap out altogether and just let it be placed in the public domain where it really belongs in this day and age...

There is fat chance of either happening as the A-holes who claim ownership over this stuff would rather let it rot than see the Amiga community putting it to good use... :madashell:

F the lot of them I say and same to all those who harp on about it still being copyright...

[commodorejohn]

Release the damn stuff at a fair price so that folk looking for it can easily purchase it and don't give me the crap that you can legally buy it on Amiga Forever, why should someone who has no use for Amiga Forever be forced to purchase that to obtain just the Workbench disks or ROM images... :madashell:

Or cut the crap out altogether and just let it be placed in the public domain where it really belongs in this day and age...

Amen to that.

[Fats]

Release the damn stuff at a fair price so that folk looking for it can easily purchase it and don't give me the crap that you can legally buy it on Amiga Forever, why should someone who has no use for Amiga Forever be forced to purchase that to obtain just the Workbench disks or ROM images... :madashell:

You can look at it differently: 9.99EUR for ROM 1.3 and OS 1.3, 29.99EUR for all ROMs and Workbench versions. And you get a free simulation program with it that you may choose not to use.

greets,
Staf.

[Franko]

You can look at it differently: 9.99EUR for ROM 1.3 and OS 1.3, 29.99EUR for all ROMs and Workbench versions. And you get a free simulation program with it that you may choose not to use.

greets,
Staf.

Or you can look at it this way, just google the net and get them for free and then you don't have to be conned into buying a "simulation program" that you don't want...

[commodorejohn]

You can look at it differently: 9.99EUR for ROM 1.3 and OS 1.3, 29.99EUR for all ROMs and Workbench versions. And you get a free simulation program with it that you may choose not to use.

Mandatory bundling is already the plague of the modern marketplace; I'll be damned if I accept it worming its way into retrocomputing.

[dammy]

Mandatory bundling is already the plague of the modern marketplace; I'll be damned if I accept it worming its way into retrocomputing.

So much for respecting other people's property.

[nicholas]

So much for respecting other people's property.

Both the names Commodore and Amiga belong to me.

[commodorejohn]

So much for respecting other people's property.

If "respecting other people's property" necessitates playing along when someone buys the distribution rights to something they didn't even create and then makes it available only when purchased with other products, then I will disrespect other people's property proudly and without regret, thank you.

[ncafferkey]

You can look at it differently: 9.99EUR for ROM 1.3 and OS 1.3, 29.99EUR for all ROMs and Workbench versions. And you get a free simulation program with it that you may choose not to use.

Indeed, WinUAE is free anyway, so you're basically only paying for the ROMs and OS.

Or you can look at it this way, just google the net and get them for free and then you don't have to be conned into buying a "simulation program" that you don't want...

You can take the same approach to music and movies. There's no need to let what's right or wrong come into it. :rolleyes:

[AmigaNG]

Release the damn stuff at a fair price  so that folk looking for it can easily purchase it and don't give me the  crap that you can legally buy it on Amiga Forever, why should someone  who has no use for Amiga Forever be forced to purchase that to obtain  just the Workbench disks or ROM images... :madashell:

Amiga Forever is a good program and I feel should be supported, ok it not an ideal way of getting roms and workbench disks and can understand your frustration if you are purchasing the programs for just the workbench disks, but would it help to know your supporting a long standing Amiga company, one of the last few Cloanto, you would help them improve their products, that they have actively supported Amiga shows and events in the past, they support amiga based competitions, give there software away to alot of amiga users and user groups for testing and review purchases and they even support the Kickstart replacement effort and other bounty's, which I find really odd as it will go directly agiest their business. So I say £30 or less is not much to pay to effectively get every AmigaOS 1.0 to 3.1 and a load of games and other extras, and to support one of the few remaining Amiga legacy software publishers still going.

Plus another question, why do you need the roms files? If people have a physical Amiga, there is no need for the Kickstart Rom files unless it for emulation.

[koaftder]

So much for respecting other people's property.

Property rights mean nothing to those with a sense of entitlement.

[AmigaNG]

Release the damn stuff at a fair price  so that folk looking for it can easily purchase it and don't give me the  crap that you can legally buy it on Amiga Forever, why should someone  who has no use for Amiga Forever be forced to purchase that to obtain  just the Workbench disks or ROM images... :madashell:

Amiga Forever is a good program and I feel should be supported, ok it not an ideal way of getting roms and workbench disks and can understand your frustration if you are purchasing the programs for just the workbench disks, but would it help to know your supporting a long standing Amiga company, one of the last few Cloanto, you would help them improve their products, that they have actively supported Amiga shows and events in the past, they support amiga based competitions, give there software away to alot of amiga users and user groups for testing and review purchases and they even support the Kickstart replacement effort and other bounty's, which I find really odd as it will go directly agiest their business. So I say £30 or less is not much to pay to effectively get every AmigaOS 1.0 to 3.1 and a load of games and other extras, and to support one of the few remaining Amiga legacy software publishers still going.

Plus another question, why do you need the roms files? If people have a physical Amiga, there is no need for the Kickstart Rom files unless it for emulation.