POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?

[Franko]

It's like trying to have a serious discussion with a chatbot with you...

Is that it... I've been watching you type this ruddy reply for the past 12 minutes & 11 seconds now and that's all you've came up with (thought it was going to be something epic)... :lol:

Anyway chatbots are boring then tend to go a wee bit barmy when I talk to them and seem to get awfully confused by some of the things I say for some weird reason...

At least you always give me something to say, whether it makes much sense or not doesn't really matter, it's all done in the best possible taste...

[commodorejohn]

IIRC, the mobo for C64x is custom designed by Barry.  Keyboard and it's associated board is custom as well.  Good enought?

I should have phrased that a little more clearly. I meant that C-USA did not design the original, actual C64 or Amiga, not that they didn't design their current products. My objection is not to the lack of creative work done on the Numiga (though I do find it annoying,) it's to the idea that calling it the same thing (sorry, "the same thingx") is sufficient to make it the successor, even when it has nothing more in common with the Amiga than any other PC on the market. It's like if Lawrence Welk bought out the Hendrix estate, recorded an album of his usual fare, and then tried to release it under the name "Jimi Hendrix."

[dammy]

I should have phrased that a little more clearly. I meant that C-USA did not design the original, actual C64 or Amiga, not that they didn't design their current products. My objection is not to the lack of creative work done on the Numiga (though I do find it annoying,) it's to the idea that calling it the same thing (sorry, "the same thingx") is sufficient to make it the successor, even when it has nothing more in common with the Amiga than any other PC on the market. It's like if Lawrence Welk bought out the Hendrix estate, recorded an album of his usual fare, and then tried to release it under the name "Jimi Hendrix."

First, nothing has been released in detail (atleast none that I know of) about the upcoming Amiga models other then what box series they are going to customize (just like A-EON is going to do with the A1X1K's modified box).  Second, C=USA, like Eyetech and now A-EON, have a license to badge what they want as specified in their license agreement.  Third, more information, including more details about the OS that will run on Amiga series should be released after the C64x's launch.

[commodorejohn]

Second, C=USA, like Eyetech and now A-EON, have a license to badge what they want as specified in their license agreement.

People keep tossing this line out. I've stated many times before that I don't care whether it's properly licensed or not. The fact that it's legal for them to use the names does not automatically make their product a legitimate successor, let alone anything like an official "next generation." If C-USA was hoping that paying to license the names would imbue this with any kind of legitimacy in the absence of that obtained by actual connection with the real Amiga or its legacy, then it's a sad waste of money on their part, as far as I'm concerned.

[Dandy]

@ dammy & redrumloa:

Guess what, they are calling it C64x and Amigax and people can not be confused

Commodore 64 Web.It

Appearently we're talking at cross-purposes - KThunder wrote in post #75:

The Commodore of old DID sell pc clones, so it really is the same thing.

He was clearly talking about "The Commodore of old" - so it should be perfectly clear that I was referring to the Commodore that went belly up in 1994 with "they", when I replied:

But they didn't call them "C64" or "Amiga" - they called them what they really were: Commodore 386/486 PCs...

I have the feeling you think I was talking about C=USA of today, which isn't the case.

[redrumloa]

@ dammy & redrumloa:
I have the feeling you think I was talking about C=USA of today, which isn't the case.

Actually I understood you were talking about the original Commodore, before the 1994 bankruptcy. I was just trying to point out that a "Commodore" company prior to current Commodore USA did indeed market and sell a PC using the name "Commodore 64". The Commodore 64 Web.It was a flop as far as I can tell when it came out in the mid-late 90's, but I don't remember the outrage that I am seeing out of some (not pointing fingers) today.
 
-Edit-
I should point out that I was deeply critical and cynical about Commodore USA and was pretty vocal about it, but I don't think I used terms like crook, con artist, scammer etc. I'm one of the old timers and wannebe historians, so I remember all of the vapor, scams and hoaxes all too well. Once I saw progress towards actual product, my stance softened. Some are still using terms like con artist, scammer etc. Seems a little harsh.

[Franko]

@ Redrumloa

Methinks you may mean this thingy...

WEB COMPUTERS INTERNATIONAL - WEB IT

even though I wasn't on the net back then I do recall seeing a few articles about it in magazines at the time. It never received any favourable reviews and seemed to just disappear...

Big difference between that and the CUSA products though are the WCI WEB IT never attempted to look like the C64 or even make claims that it was the new C64 or it's successor...

[KThunder]

Is that it... I've been watching you type this ruddy reply for the past 12 minutes & 11 seconds now and that's all you've came up with (thought it was going to be something epic)... :lol:

Anyway chatbots are boring then tend to go a wee bit barmy when I talk to them and seem to get awfully confused by some of the things I say for some weird reason...

At least you always give me something to say, whether it makes much sense or not doesn't really matter, it's all done in the best possible taste...

I wrote a couple things, decided they were too harsh and I didn't want to piss anyone off, so I wrote that.

We had a guy here a few years ago called narayan, he seemed like a damaged chatbot. It was pretty fun to try to figure out what he was talking about.

[redrumloa]

@ Redrumloa
 
Methinks you may mean this thingy...
 
WEB COMPUTERS INTERNATIONAL - WEB IT
 
even though I wasn't on the net back then I do recall seeing a few articles about it in magazines at the time. It never received any favourable reviews and seemed to just disappear...
 
Big difference between that and the CUSA products though are the WCI WEB IT never attempted to look like the C64 or even make claims that it was the new C64 or it's successor...

Bzzt, but thanks for trolling^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h playing. Mechy has a parting gift for you at the door. From your own link.
 
The new C64 is based around MS-DOS and the internet as standard. The new machine retains compatibility with original CBM 64 software through the use of a software emulator. Whilst the exact emulator included is unknown, the emulator will allow the use of hundreds of games that can be downloaded from the internet.
 

 
The box says Commodore 64, the computer says Commodore 64. You are going to have to try harder than that to find an error in my recollection of Commodore history;)

[Franko]

@ Red

"Trolling" is my business it seems and if that's what you wanna call me the so be it, after all it's just silly made up word used by internet numpties...

The box may say Commodore 64 and the badge on the machine may say Commodore 64 but not even a three legged blind man and his guide hamster would have thought it was a genuine C64...

[commodorejohn]

The box may say Commodore 64 and the badge on the machine may say Commodore 64 but not even a three legged blind man and his guide hamster would have thought it was a genuine C64...

Doesn't change the fact that they were trying to market it as one. However, people do still seem to think that the fact that other companies tried to market unrelated hardware as "Commodore 64" or "Amiga" makes it okay for C-USA to do so. It doesn't. It doesn't matter how many people did so in the past. And the only reason I wasn't deriding the Web.It at the time was because I wasn't online and wasn't a member of the Commodore community then. (Well, that and the fact that, with a name like "Web.It," it mocks itself. God, what were people smoking in the '90s?) Had I been on a Commodore newsgroup at the time, I would have expressed precisely the same sentiments towards it as I do towards C-USA.

[Arkhan]

Are you keepin up with the Commodore?

CAUSE THE COMMODORE IS KEEPIN UP WITH YOU.

[save2600]

I got your modern C=64 right here...  :laughing:

[Dandy]

Actually I understood you were talking about the original Commodore, before the 1994 bankruptcy. I was just trying to point out that a "Commodore" company prior to current Commodore USA did indeed market and sell a PC using the name "Commodore 64". The Commodore 64 Web.It was a flop as far as I can tell when it came out in the mid-late 90's,

First lets try to get a common understanding:
With "in the mid-late 90's" you mean the years 1995-1999?
If so, then you see me rather surprised, as Commodore International declared bankruptcy on April 29, 1994.

So I ask:
Did I miss something? How could they "market and sell a PC using the name "Commodore 64"", if they were already roughly one year bankrupt in "the mid 90s" (1995)?

And b.t.w. - today is the first time I hear that Commodore allegedly marketed and sold a PC using the name "Commodore 64" back in the 90s.

The only "Commodore 64" I've heard of in the 80s/90s was  this one - but it wasn't a "PC" (assuming that you're referring to something based on the Intel x86 cpu family with "PC"), it was called "homecomputer" and had a Motorola 6510 cpu - at least here...

A quick research in Wikipedia brought up a chronological list of  all Commodore "of old" computers - but there is no "Commodore 64" listed in the "Commodore PC compatible systems"-section.

but I don't remember the outrage that I am seeing out of some (not pointing fingers) today.
 

As far as I'm concerned, I'm not outraged - just confused by the "facts" you presented so far...

...
Once I saw progress towards actual product, my stance softened.
...

Where and when did you see "progress towards actual product"?
I haven't seen anything aside from nicely raytraced pictures of how they envisaged their planned products might look like - no prototype, no screenshots - but maybe I missed something.

[Franko]

Doesn't change the fact that they were trying to market it as one. However, people do still seem to think that the fact that other companies tried to market unrelated hardware as "Commodore 64" or "Amiga" makes it okay for C-USA to do so. It doesn't. It doesn't matter how many people did so in the past. And the only reason I wasn't deriding the Web.It at the time was because I wasn't online and wasn't a member of the Commodore community then. (Well, that and the fact that, with a name like "Web.It," it mocks itself. God, what were people smoking in the '90s?) Had I been on a Commodore newsgroup at the time, I would have expressed precisely the same sentiments towards it as I do towards C-USA.

Gotta agree with that 100%...

Trouble is most of the ones supporting CUSA can only dig into the past looking for excuses to back up CUSA as they can't think of anything better by themselves to say...

This isn't the past this is here and now and what CUSA plan on selling is about a genuine and real as the Loch Ness Monster or the fact that I'm a brain surgeon...

Even Red seems to be changing his tune from some of the posts he's made here, reckon a Coke wasn't the only thing Barry slipped him...

[commodorejohn]

First lets try to get a common understanding:
With "in the mid-late 90's" you mean the years 1995-1999?
If so, then you see me rather surprised, as Commodore International declared bankruptcy on April 29, 1994.

It wasn't Commodore - it was a company called Web Computers International. I don't recall if they actually obtained a license to use the name or just didn't feel they needed to ask.

This isn't the past this is here and now and what  CUSA plan on selling is about a genuine and real as the Loch Ness  Monster or the fact that I'm a brain surgeon...

Are you suggesting the Loch Ness Monster isn't real? Jeez, man, have  some national pride! I'm not even from the UK and I show that poor beast  more respect!