Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week

[number6]

Why did you have to post that ruddy link, every time I go to that site my eyesight goes for about 10 minutes and I almost have an epileptic fit...

Could someone from the USA please answer me this in regard to FOX, I get the FOX channels over here on SKY, now I don't know if it's just me but do folks in the USA actually take The FOX news channel seriously (if so I would find that very worrying)... :nervous:

It's like a bunch of talentless celebrity wannabes talking absolute keech about which zlist celeb they bumped into at the weekend or the O'reily guy who gets paid far too much and is proud to have it announced at the end of his show that his clothes are supplied by some poncy fashion designer...:nervous:

Please don't tell me that this channel is taken seriously in the USA or my opinion of American popular culture will reach an all time low...

I think you're confusing "news" and "news entertainment" or commentary if you will.
All the networks have both in order to fill air time.
Sadly, pure news that allows the viewers to analyze on their own is in short supply.
Moreso, it was decided years ago that viewers needed to be told what to think, hence the invention of the entertainment news you now see.
In addition, controversy sells, so even if every network sponsored the same beliefs from the top, they would be quick to delineate themselves from the others to maintain ratings.

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[Franko]

@ number6

It's got that way over here too SKY news nowadays tell you their opinion on a News item and the viewing morons accept it. Even the Al-Jazzara 24 hour News channel looks & sounds like a fanatical version of FOX News in custom made designer Italian suits, really weird  (& scary)... Although the hour long show they give to George Galloway each week is good for a laugh as he demands you listen to him and that his opinions are the real facts... :lol:

@ TheBilgeRat

Why not lie, everyone else does...

[number6]

@ number6

It's got that way over here too SKY news nowadays tell you their opinion on a News item and the viewing morons accept it. Even the Al-Jazzara 24 hour News channel looks & sounds like a fanatical version of FOX News in custom made designer Italian suits, really weird  (& scary)... Although the hour long show they give to George Galloway each week is good for a laugh as he demands you listen to him and that his opinions are the real facts... :lol:

Then I'm sure you can see the parallel in amiga forums.
The difference between reporting news and letting each individual interpret on their own vs evangelism woven into news.

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[dammy]

Well Red seems to have changed his tune pretty quickly after his wee visit to CUSAs brain washing lab (judging by his short comments & retractions in some of his posts here)...

If Fanboy Dammy thinks otherwise then I can only conclude that Red has gone to the darkside and DammyFanBoy is praying Red has been convinced enough to write a glowing report in favour of CUSA...

I see why Red is now hesitant to write a report, he will have been made a public enemy by the likes of you and others if he says positive things.  And you wouldn't want that, better to go beat on anyone associated in supporting C=USA, right?

[Digiman]

It's so funny. The exact same thing could be said word-for-word about Ben Hermans and Hyperion/A-eon.

Personally I think Barry is a bit of a huckster. Unless CUSA comes up with something crazily compelling I don't see myself ever buying a CUSA product. But I have to give the guy credit, he's done a lot better job of promoting CUSA than Hyperion and Co. have done. And yet they're both doing essentially the same thing - Hyperion has an Amiga labeled OS, and CUSA has a Commodore (and soon Amiga) labeled computer. But CUSA has been at it less than year as opposed to Hyperion's ten years.

The thing is, the concept behind CUSA is so simple - how can anyone wonder about what the goal is or what drives Barry's decisions? The goal is: take the easiest route to getting some Commodore machines out there. It doesn't matter if it's little more than a familiar looking case and a label, the name Commodore still has resonance. And after that do the same with Amiga. Clearly the objective is to make money, and as for what drives the decisions it's just the easiest route.

It's a damn no-brainer. It really makes me wonder why Hyperion went through (and still is going through) the effort of making yet another Amiga-like OS and some weird-ass proprietary hardware when all they had to do was slap a label on a box. To me the question should be what is the goal of Hyperion and what drives Ben Hermans decisions, because what Hyperion does has no traction.

I've heard that the CUSA TV ads were shown at the meeting, and will air on all the major networks. Once that happens the name Commodore will really be out there in front of a lot of people, many of them who haven't thought about Commodore or the Amiga in well over a decade. Just musing here but what's going to happen when those people start showing up on sites like this and AWN?

Thing is OS4/MOS are PPC binary compatible [with legal Workbench applications] systems. PPC has terrible price/performance.

CUSA is just supplying fancy case [if you're lucky] + C=/Amiga label + Linux version of VICE/UAE emulators.

I can see why people label OS4/MOS machines Amiga, but don't share that opinion. C= USA is not even close with their Intel PC motherboards and emulators combo.

Are people so desperate for 'new' 'Amiga' hardware asto intelligently attribute their PCs as a new genuine Commodore/Amiga computer?

If I wanted a Commodore PC I would have bought a 486 oneinstead of an A1200 in the 90s (the one that looks like A4000D case).

[Arkhan]

Are people so desperate for 'new' 'Amiga' hardware asto intelligently attribute their PCs as a new genuine Commodore/Amiga computer?
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Cmon now, don't be so negative. :hammer:

[TheBilgeRat]

Honestly, I am mostly intrigued by the "wedge" C64 combo case doodad they might be building.  I like their concept of "retro style" if they kept it at that and did not try to sell "retro substance."  If that wedge could hold one graphics card of my choice plus having the basics builtin (Wireless N/gigabit ethernet, sound, etc) it would be a neat PC to own.  I'd slap Win7 on it and game the crap out of it.  If it truly will have cherry mechanical switches in the keyboard (and double injection molded keys) I am so there.  BUT then again I'm not sold on the "Commodore" aspect.  If I wanted a NG Amiga experience, I'd buy a G5 and throw MOS on it (Which I most probably will do in the future), or AmigaForever on whatever X86 machine I will be rocking.

I'm not convinced that this thing is even reality, however.  And as for their "Amiga" line...c'mon-no one is buying that.  But give them credit - if that "C64" redesign is real, it takes balls to engineer computer hardware these days that is outside the norm.  If I want one of their amiga redesigns, however, I'll build it myself thanks.

[Digiman]

Negativiy about PCs in drag with C= stickers sold as next gen Amigas is fine here :roflmao:

[actung_bab]

Ask him why he doesn't like me...

oh come on l heard him say , "he having a old friend over for dinner "
hehe
if says words father beans and nice cantie sauce run brother

[Franko]

I see why Red is now hesitant to write a report, he will have been made a public enemy by the likes of you and others if he says positive things.  And you wouldn't want that, better to go beat on anyone associated in supporting C=USA, right?

Wrong... if you had read the posts before where I say "not to take anything I say seriously" then no matter what report Red makes (if he makes one) I for one won't be trying to make him a "Public enemy"... I'll give him a good ribbing if he write a glowing report on CUSA but "enemy" no...

You on the other hand only seem to be here at the behest of CUSA to try and stir things up (which I'm happy to play along with) and that's only because the mighty mouthpiece Leo seems to have gone into hiding and so Barry has sent his other minion here to do the dirty work...

Keep em coming Dammy cos other than Porno sites this is the best entertainment on the net...

[Franko]

oh come on l heard him say , "he having a old friend over for dinner "
hehe
if says words father beans and nice cantie sauce run brother

Hi actung_bab...

Where have you been hiding lately...

Nice to see you posting again...

Franko

[giZmo350]

@runequester

I have said on Commodore-Amiga.org that we will be using 2nd Gen Intel Core(Sandybridge) technology with a focus on NVidia graphics throughout our Amiga line-up. This is a strategic choice, that may allow infiltration into many industries as workstations. An Amiga 2000x running at 5+Ghz with multiple overclocked NVidia graphic cards, and OS flexibility, is a very attractive machine in my eyes, and puts the Amiga brand up with the best desktop computers in the world once more.

Uh Oh! Trouble in Barryland?

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/oems-and-motherboard-manufacturers-to-offer-refundsreplacements-over-sandy-bridge-chipset-flaw/11222

[TheBilgeRat]

Uh Oh! Trouble in Barryland?

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/oems-and-motherboard-manufacturers-to-offer-refundsreplacements-over-sandy-bridge-chipset-flaw/11222

oh jeez!  interest withdrawn!

[actung_bab]

Hi actung_bab...

Where have you been hiding lately...

Nice to see you posting again...

Franko

thanks mate , just been having probs with amiga 1200 got bit feed up back know
oh can l be one barrys minions l haveint got hunch back though . mybe in few years
l can be called egore though but think master going bit far hehhe
l checki out mnions.com for job applcation .
wonder if mel brooks chould do a movie on amiga be great..

[redrumloa]

@ Redrumloa

Any chance we're going to see this "report" or is this the first big non-event of 2011...

Reading comprehension much?

I will probably do a full report here on Amiga.org before the end of the week.

[Franko]

@ Red

C'mon Red stop just sitting there reading this nonsense (after all you started it) is it yeah or nay to the report...

(Ok you beat me to it... but at the end of which week...