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Offline RMK305Topic starter

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Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« on: February 01, 2011, 12:37:47 AM »
I finally managed to install my new Deneb after having it for 3 weeks! I moved the A4000 down so it was easier to work on, read the manual of the Deneb so I knew what I was doing and inserted the card into a zorro slot then powered it on. Nothing happened, just a blank screen. Pulled out the Deneb and still the grey blank screen from the Cybervision 64 3D. Tried the Cyber in another slot and it was just the same. I pulled out my Scandy scan doubler from the video slot and just the same. I eventually managed to get the purple instert disc screen through the scandy so I thought great, it's back up again. Installed the CV and then...nothing.

I don't have time to look at this any more tonight but will strip it down on Wednesday night. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to try? I'm hoping that something has moved inside when I moved it, but I did check the cards, cd rom, hard drive etc and I'm still getting a grey screen through the CV.

I'm starting to dred buying the Deneb as without it I wouldn't have touched the machine and life would be better right now

Thanks for any help at all.


System is A4000D, CV64 3D, SCSI HD connected to Warpengine 040 40MHz, IDE CDROM
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Re: Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2011, 12:56:34 AM »
Best not to use Scottish electricity... I reckon... ;)
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Re: Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2011, 01:04:25 AM »
How old is the PSU? It might time to put in a new one.
Otherwise perhaps some components (like resistors) on the motherboard are burnt.
You should get a notebook out and try all different combinations of expansions... I remember I had Cyrix 686 board that wouldn't work after trying everything I found the quad speed CD-ROM was conflicting.
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Re: Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2011, 01:08:41 AM »
ElPolloDiabl,

I'll do that, thanks. Hope it's not anything burnt out on the motherboard though. I assume the PSU is the original unit that came with the machine as I certainly haven't changed it.


Franko,

I knew I should have bought the decent stuff!
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Re: Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2011, 11:32:19 PM »
I ended up discovering that without the SCSI HD connected to the Warpengine it worked fine. Now, I have the HD connected up again and it all works fine again, so I'm not entirely clear what the problem is/was. Maybe an iffy power or data cable, but I've pushed everything in firmly so will see how it goes.

I haven't even tried it yet. Well, I did try it and it came up with the message saying that it needs MUI installed which I haven't done yet. I'll try doing that tomorrow. I take it the latest version of MUI is still 3.8?
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Re: Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2011, 12:00:56 AM »
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I take it the latest version of MUI is still 3.8?


Yep for 3.x OS
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Re: Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2011, 12:35:12 AM »
Whew! Glad to hear you didn't mistakingly install Deneb ass up!  (component side down)
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Re: Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2011, 12:56:06 AM »
No no, I was VERY careful with the installation of the card and the cables as I had heard of people doing it wrong. :)

Thanks for the confirmation Goose.
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Re: Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2011, 12:59:24 AM »
you will not regret getting this piece. trust me.
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Re: Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2011, 09:59:50 PM »
I finally got time to mess around with this again. I'm currently having to use it in zorro2 mode. Not sure if this is an issue with the CV64 3D or not, but I have a Rev.11 Buster on the way so that may allow me zorro3 speeds.

So far I have tried a flash drive, Nikon camera and my mobile. All 3 caused the message to apear telling me it had been detected but not one of them came up as an icon on the desktop. From looking around in Trident am I right in thinking that these devices (storage) must be formatted in FAT95? If this is the case I'm going to order some new flash drives to be formatted like this for the Amiga and to use for PC transfers.

Is there a limit in the size I should go for? Could I buy a couple of 16gig drives and keep one connected to the internal port and use it for backup purposes? I'm using OS3.9.

Many thanks,

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Re: Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2011, 10:34:08 PM »
AFAIK deneb firmware V9 is supposed to fix dma related problems with the CV64/3d.
See here:
http://www.e3b.de/usb/main_updates_e.html
 
 
To let trident recognize FAT-formatted massstorage devices, you have to install fat95 on the amiga.
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Re: Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2011, 11:06:33 PM »
Quote from: MozzerFan;617097
AFAIK deneb firmware V9 is supposed to fix dma related problems with the CV64/3d.
See here:
http://www.e3b.de/usb/main_updates_e.html
 
 
To let trident recognize FAT-formatted massstorage devices, you have to install fat95 on the amiga.



Hmm, that's odd as without selecting zorro2 mode mine wouldn't flash up confirming it had detected anything I plugged into it.

I've downloaded FAT95 from Aminet and will try that out later and see how I get on with it.

Many thanks,
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Re: Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2011, 11:48:47 PM »
Can't get FAT95 to install. When I click on the install icon it doesn't come up with anything. From reading the instructions they say it's "Simple" but not having used an Amiga except for some gaming in recent years it's not so simple for me. I thought with the Deneb I could insert a USB stick and it would pop up on the desktop with an icon? How exactly does this card work as so far mine isn't doing a great deal for the money.

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Re: Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2011, 12:02:22 AM »
Fat95 has an installer? I remember just copying it over to the SYS:L directory. It might have an installer for all I know, but LOTS of times, they do not work. This is how one becomes familiar with placing files in their appropriate folders  :)
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Re: Installed Deneb and now have problems.
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2011, 12:05:37 AM »
cv64 was known causing dma problems due to it working outside of z3 specs to achieve more than expected throughput on bus. i thought it has been taken care of, but will not test it myself, since i have it in a mediator>voodoo rig, which is now causing another problem attempting to use simultanously voodoo and radeon alongside. so just to confirm a known issue as to how it looks like.
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