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Offline CammyTopic starter

Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2011, 04:11:34 AM »
Wow, thank you, johnklos. I think we might have to take you up on your offer for hosting those services for us, I don't know if our previous offer for hosting the forum exists any more though, so we may need hosting for that too.
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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2011, 04:22:50 AM »
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I never ignored you, I was still hoping you wanted to help us out but it's very hard to talk to you. I can never tell if you're angry with me or not, like at the moment it seems like you are.

Does this mean you no longer want to help out? I'm on IRC every day if you ever want to clear something up with me, I don't think there was any need to join in against me here.


Im not against you.(nor do i think anyone here is) nor have i ever been angry with you.

I am still willing to help! IRC is not suitable for me right now (PC problems) Email is always welcome, or MSN for live chat (add me, msn addy is my email which i think you have)

Busy the next 3 weeks, going on holiday to Gold Coast :D I can get stuck into it when i get back!

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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2011, 05:56:59 AM »
Well, if you refuse to explain why this new site is needed and what is wrong with UtilityBase, then I refuse to help with this project. Because I see it as splittism of the Amiga community.

Is the problem then that AWeb has issues with UtilityBase? This would indeed be a valid reason, I will confirm whether there is an issue.
 

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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2011, 06:32:37 PM »
We really only need one person with the capacity to understand the bigger picture to help us out. I'm sorry but I don't think anything I say could persuade you to open your mind enough to accept that we need change.

While all the forums have their own problems, I won't pick on them. What I will ask you is how productive do you think they have been? How successful is the Amiga software market at the moment? Which forum is dedicated to fixing this problem and creating a little organisation and unity, listening to the real Amiga users and adapting to their needs? Where can we go to discuss new ideas without the fear of being shot down by negative thinking, hurtful people who only want to stop anyone else from succeeding where perhaps they failed or didn't have the courage to try in the first place? Where is the Amiga E forum? Where is the forum where programmers can easily request music for their games and get responses from the most suitable musicians? Where do we discuss character development and graphic design for these games? Where are the forum administrators that actually use Amigas and can sympathize with the productive users and filter out the trouble makers? Where do we work together on projects like new legal Workbench distributions and package management?

You might see this move as "splittism" but I see it as a new hope. You must understand how many people have biases towards and against various Amiga forums. A new forum, a fresh start with a real purpose could be our best shot of getting something done for once. If we don't try anything, the Amiga scene will continue to stagnate.
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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2011, 06:50:43 PM »
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We really only need one person with the capacity to understand the bigger picture to help us out. I'm sorry but I don't think anything I say could persuade you to open your mind enough to accept that we need change.

While all the forums have their own problems, I won't pick on them. What I will ask you is how productive do you think they have been? How successful is the Amiga software market at the moment? Which forum is dedicated to fixing this problem and creating a little organisation and unity, listening to the real Amiga users and adapting to their needs? Where can we go to discuss new ideas without the fear of being shot down by negative thinking, hurtful people who only want to stop anyone else from succeeding where perhaps they failed or didn't have the courage to try in the first place? Where is the Amiga E forum? Where is the forum where programmers can easily request music for their games and get responses from the most suitable musicians? Where do we discuss character development and graphic design for these games? Where are the forum administrators that actually use Amigas and can sympathize with the productive users and filter out the trouble makers? Where do we work together on projects like new legal Workbench distributions and package management?

You might see this move as "splittism" but I see it as a new hope. You must understand how many people have biases towards and against various Amiga forums. A new forum, a fresh start with a real purpose could be our best shot of getting something done for once. If we don't try anything, the Amiga scene will continue to stagnate.


I thought this (AO) was that forum already? But maybe you see this huge Amiga fanbase/infrastructure/business where none actually exists.

Maybe you should take over moobunny - since it's an anarchy there's nothing stopping somebody from planting their flag and taking over the place, if there's really that much of a coordinated interest. And it would give the regulars a break from the same-old-same-old.
 

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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2011, 07:19:51 PM »
Thanks for your helpful contribution, keep up the good work.
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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2011, 07:21:56 PM »
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I thought this (AO) was that forum already? But maybe you see this huge Amiga fanbase/infrastructure/business where none actually exists.

Maybe you should take over moobunny - since it's an anarchy there's nothing stopping somebody from planting their flag and taking over the place, if there's really that much of a coordinated interest. And it would give the regulars a break from the same-old-same-old.


I think the point is that a friendly dev-centered forum is needed -- not a friendly general forum, and not an unfriendly dev-centered forum.
 

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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2011, 07:29:23 PM »
I wish you good luck Cammy & hope you succeed, I reckon it would be nice to have such a forum, who knows if you need someone to bug test or optimise some code I've got plenty of time on my hands... :)
 

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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2011, 07:45:13 PM »
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Thanks for your helpful contribution, keep up the good work.


Why not have somebody set up a telnet BBS...?  Or create forums on one of the existing ones?  Then no web browsers need be involved.  No PHP coding.  And maybe people could even use offline mail readers like Thor... great BBS/telnet clients like Term and AmTelnet... it'd be like 1993 all over again.

C-Net, Tempest, Xenolink, DLG, all those other great historical Amiga BBSes..., or heck, just use Waffle.  We have telser.device with a free key, why not?

I understand the difficulty of getting an Amiga onto a static IP... but there could always be a dynamic DNS client involved.
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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2011, 08:48:34 PM »
I'm sorry but although BBSs are cool, it's not really what we need. We'd like a forum that works well in regular modern browsers but also renders fine in Amiga browsers, like AmigaWorld or Amiga.org through the proxy. We intend on it being a very serious, friendly and helpful development-only forum. The forum will cater to all Amiga flavours, be they 68k/OS3, OS4, MorphOS, Aros, Natami or MiniMig. We already have a mailing list of programmers who will be invited to join the forum once it starts, and several of us already have projects underway that we're desperate to start discussing with other Amiga developers, away from any public chat forum where threads go off-topic and devolve into nothing. We will keep an eye on all the projects and assign the right people to the right job, helping under-appreciated ideas get the attention they deserve.

We may be passionate about the Amiga and hopeful that we can build a more organised and informed community while helping to generate more of a market for Amiga software through digital distribution, but we're not deluded. No one plans on competing with any other OS or games system, we simply want to provide our own kind with the privileges that users of other systems enjoy.

We want to pull ourselves out of this state of suspended animation and get on with things. Think of current Amiga sites as like a pub or a social club where you can discuss things with your mates and check up and comment on the latest news and gossip. Our forum would be more like a college where we can learn and work together away from the speculation, gossip and fighting.

People complain that too much is announced and not enough delivered. A lot of the time it's because people with these ideas need to tell somebody about it for some positive encouragement, but nearly all they ever receive on these forums is negative criticism, which dampens their spirits so much they abandon the project and nothing ever comes of it. A lot of creative people are sensitive and emotional, and they would rather not post on a forum ever again if they only expect to have their ideas shot down.

No one who supports the Amiga scene would be hurt by the creation of this forum. What the community lacks is organisation and leadership. It's time to work together as a team and stop fighting amongst ourselves. With this forum we hope to provide all creative Amiga people the perfect place to share their ideas with other like-minded, helpful people and give them the encouragement they need to complete these projects in cooperation.

No one is forced to leave the forums they already frequent just to join one new forum. We have bookmarks and password managers to help us these days, even in the old Amiga browsers.
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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2011, 09:36:19 PM »
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I'm sorry but although BBSs are cool, it's not really what we need. We'd like a forum that works well in regular modern browsers but also renders fine in Amiga browsers, like AmigaWorld or Amiga.org through the proxy.


If you were to use vbulletin, you're welcome to a copy of the proxy code. It is self-contained should be able to run from a subdomain without any issues. There are some limitations I never got around to fixing, one of which was file uploading.
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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2011, 01:26:05 AM »
Something like your proxy wouldn't be needed, just a plain HTML 4.0 only theme.
 

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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2011, 02:00:52 AM »
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one of which was file uploading.

File uploading works on a BBS :D

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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2011, 02:42:26 AM »
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Where can we go to discuss new ideas without the fear of being shot down by negative thinking, hurtful people who only want to stop anyone else from succeeding where perhaps they failed or didn't have the courage to try in the first place? Where is the Amiga E forum? Where is the forum where programmers can easily request music for their games and get responses from the most suitable musicians? Where do we discuss character development and graphic design for these games? Where are the forum administrators that actually use Amigas and can sympathize with the productive users and filter out the trouble makers?

Since you put it like that...
Hell yeah!  It sounds like a great idea!  I bet even Minuous could get onboard with that!

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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2011, 03:26:40 AM »
splittism?

Is someone taking English lessons from Sarah Palin?
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Re: Help needed with programming Amiga development forum
« Reply #29 from previous page: February 02, 2011, 04:14:07 AM »
I applaud this idea, good initiative.:)