Why no new hardware for MorphOS??

[zylesea]

Well it's the best explanation of MorphOS I've heard thanks, but I still don't get why this thread is mainly about it running on Macs unless it's giving you an Amiga emulation on a Mac, in that case MorphOS would be very interesting to me...

MorphOS doesn't need an Amiga emulation - it just executes Amiga programs exactly as if they were MorphOS native programs. With the one difference: the 68k code is translated to ppc code on the fly by the 68k JIT (Maxxon cinema raytracer runs more than 50 times as fast as on an 68040/25 with the MorphOS JIT on a G4/1500 and about 30 times as fast on a G3/600 more benchmark results: http://via.i-networx.de/bench_en.html )
Look, for example I use Turbocalc, GoldEd and TV paint quite a lot (all 68k Amiga programs) - on my Pegasos, Efika and Mac mini directly with MorphOS. Even an old program from an old appetizder disk (the program write) works on MorphOS - and hence on Apple hardware.
The software that directly bangs the Amiga custom hardware (many older games or DPaint IV) usually doesn't work on MorphOS, but runs on E-UAE which is well integrated into Ambient (the workbench replacement): adf files can get launched with UAE straightly. But you need UAE *only* for hardware banging stuff, non banging stuff is executed directly (even old 1.x programs).

[Franko]

Wow finally I understand what MorphOS can actually do and now it's very interesting indeed to me...

Looks like I'll need to head to eBay and buy another Mac to give this a try...

(Wish someone had explained it clearly before like you just have...

Cheers

Franko

[Piru]

And you sound like a person who places the facts around what he wants to prove and skips the rest.

I didn't skip the facts. I assumed everyone in world knows that Apple no longer produces PowerPC Macs. If you think that this is intentional misleading then I can't help you.

It was obvious that you compared the price to a second hand system to a brand new one.

Hmm wait, first you say I am twisting facts but next you agree with me that I didn't? Okay, I guess that makes sense.

I made a fair comparison with the clothes from thrift shop and a designers shop. Then you continue with personal insults.

If you think I've made any personal insults report them to the moderators.

f you make such statements about 100 Euro versus 1000 Euro, please state that the 100 Euro are for second hand hardware, while the 1000 Euro are for new.

I did. It was implied. Everyone knows Apple no longer produces PowerPC hardware.

It have nothing to do if AmigaOS users buy or not second hand hardware.

Perhaps, but I did neatly demonstrate how this "only new is good" idea was clearly bogus. There is nothing wrong in 2nd hand hardware.

But you compare hardware scrap

So in your opinion anything not new is "scrap". It doesn't make it a fact.

with hardware produced in the recent years that have some additional taxes attached to it like RoHS tax, money denominations

Yes those are some the problems when producing new custom HW. These are some of the reasons why it is impossible to produce custom PowerPC HW with sensible prices, and ultimately the reason why 2nd hand Macs are so attractive.

the persons who don't know much like Franko will happen to believe your fallacies.

Your concern for others is commendable. But could you do that without insulting them?

[Karlos]

I bet no OS4 user has ever sold their old system or bought a 2nd hand system. I mean everyone just trash their old AmigaOnes and SAMs, since they're obviously worthless... as they're no longer new..

I realise this was meant as a sarcastic response, but my A1 is second hand. One careful previous owner, another amiga.org long time member with a passion for gadgetry

[zylesea]

Wow finally I understand what MorphOS can actually do and now it's very interesting indeed to me...

Looks like I'll need to head to eBay and buy another Mac to give this a try...

(Wish someone had explained it clearly before like you just have...

Cheers

Franko

The biggest difference in everday usage is probably between Ambient and Workbench. Ambinet is MUI based and offers really a lot, but looks a bit different to Workbench (but can easily be skinned to any taste) and offers a bit different usability. This may need a little time to get familiar with, but today (after using Ambient for a longer while) I always get the impression Workbench is really outdated and I feel way more comfortable on Ambient than on Workbench...
While not recomended it should still be possible to replace Ambient with 68k Workbench (a few ppl did that during the early days of Ambient).
If you like to read a bit more about MorphOS I suggest "MorphOS the lighning OS by Fulvio Peruggi, find it on http://library.morphzone.org/Main_Page - though not maximally up to date, it is worth a read anyway Or the even older article "A close glimpse to MorphOS" but that one is referringto MorphOS 1.x and from 2005. Anyway, I think there's still something in, find teh pdf here: http://via.i-networx.de/docs/glimpse_2_MorphOS_p1_V1.0SE.pdf (958kb).

[Franko]

@ zylesea

Cheers once again, just downloaded the PDF and going to give it a read. You should write a basic introduction to MorphOS for numpties like me, I've learned more about it in your past few posts than I have in my whole time on the net since June of last year...

[Piru]

I realise this was meant as a sarcastic response, but my A1 is second hand. One careful previous owner, another amiga.org long time member with a passion for gadgetry

Hehe. I'm posting this from my spanking new MacBook Pro 13"

[peroxidechicken]

Look Ma!  I'm computing without a safety net!  

Warranties - yeah, whatever...  This notion of only-new-will-do kinda craps on Classic users doesn't it?  And they're the only ones with 'real' Amiga hardware too...  Better say sorry guys!  There could be hissy fits...  

Kidding - of course.  This kind of non-issue is kind of funny - in a pathetic kind of way...

[zylesea]

But you compare hardware scrap with hardware produced in the recent years that have some additional taxes attached to it like RoHS tax,(...) .

There is no RoHS tax. RoHS only defines which materials are no rlonger allowed to use for electronic goods. There is, however the WEEE directive. The cost varies from country to country. For example the "Stiftung EAR" (Germany) expects the manufacturer to take back as many goods as produced (well, the actual method is a bit more complicated). For god's sake let's also put the cost of the registration fees into that which (thank god!!!) were drastically lowered in recent years coming down to a few hundered EUR (since 2008 one registration is enough for the entire EU). If A-eon will sell 250 boards they will probably don't have to to take back any waste at all, but in worst case (one container, which will generate costs of a few hundered EUR), the total cost (registration and recycling) will be in the range of 1000 EUR- which makes 4 EUR/item - in worst case (German prices)! That makes a huge difference on the 2000 EUR for the X1000!

[klx300r]

Probably because you're thinking like a purist...

purist..nah...just can't get over my dislike of Macs period..really have nothing against MOS and would definitely buy a copy if they decide to port it over to new existing PPC machines like the Sam440/460 and X1000.

[TheBilgeRat]

I was just going to get a mac to run morphOS, now I think I should get a Sam 460 as well with AOS4, just to see if they start yelling at each other on my desk.  I'll put the A4000 in between as mediator.   The linux box can watch and shake its head.

[klx300r]

@ TheBilgeRat

oh the drama:laughing:

[runequester]

I was just going to get a mac to run morphOS, now I think I should get a Sam 460 as well with AOS4, just to see if they start yelling at each other on my desk.  I'll put the A4000 in between as mediator.   The linux box can watch and shake its head.

they'll gang up on the windows machine passing by though

[TheBilgeRat]

@ TheBilgeRat

oh the drama:laughing:

Ain't I a stinker!

[mbrantley]

I was just going to get a mac to run morphOS, now I think I should get a Sam 460 as well with AOS4, just to see if they start yelling at each other on my desk.  I'll put the A4000 in between as mediator.   The linux box can watch and shake its head.

Hehe. You almost described my desk.

[EDanaII]

purist..nah...just can't get over my dislike of Macs period..really have nothing against MOS and would definitely buy a copy if they decide to port it over to new existing PPC machines like the Sam440/460 and X1000.

Well, my comment was directed at Franko. I thought he was in the 68k, Amiga hardware only category... my bad.

As to porting, then your cost of ownership goes up and you lose people like me. Sams and the X1000 are just too much. My humble opinion, of course. I think MorphOS choice to port to Mac hardware is the smarter move IF the OS must be on PPC.

Of course, I also think that it isn't necessary for the OS to remain on PPC, so I also don't thing MorphOS' move is the smartest move.