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Offline Matt_H

Re: The answer of Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #119 from previous page: January 29, 2011, 08:57:48 PM »
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Cool. I will buy Powermac G4 Tower with ATI graphics[/i]. It will run MorphOS!

The same argument your mate Krashan used.


^ Fixed that for you, and yes, it will! Hope you have a lot of fun with your new machine :)
 

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Re: The answer of Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #120 on: January 29, 2011, 09:03:48 PM »
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^ Fixed that for you, and yes, it will! Hope you have a lot of fun with your new machine :)

Surely, I will have lot of fun with my new AmigaOne machine :) Thank you :)

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Re: The answer of Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #121 on: January 29, 2011, 10:11:12 PM »
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Surely, I will have lot of fun with my new AmigaOne machine :) Thank you :)


Look, we can't have a discussion if you keep changing the rules.

We know you're an OS4 fan. Great, that's fine. I'm an OS4 user myself. But if/when my AmigaOneXE breaks down, I'm going to have to think long and hard about replacing it. The warranty on a SAM or X1000 doesn't make up for the absurd amounts of money I'd have to spend to ship it back to Europe for service, plus the significantly higher initial investment.

Point is, I think you'll find most MorphOS users perfectly happy re-using cheap and cheerful PPC Macs. I could hop on to my local craigslist and pick up a clean, cared-for, and MorphOS-capable machine for almost no money at all. And I could probably have the transaction completed and the system up and running within 24 hours or less. Not quite as good as going into a store and pulling a system off the shelf, but pretty good, don't you think? And if it breaks, I could either get a replacement machine through the same process, or take the 20 minute train ride to an Apple store to have it serviced. There's no need to develop new hardware while there are so many compatible systems out there.

And if the OS4 port to the Mac mini had ever been completed (do you remember how much excitement there was surrounding that?), I expect you'd find most OS4 users thinking similarly.

Besides, as Amiga users, we buy used and out-of-warranty hardware all the time. (Anyone want to part with a Toccata card?) Sometimes it's even dirty!

I hope AEon succeeds with the X1000 (and I hope I can justify the cost of one), but I think they'd have been more likely to break even (or even profit) if they had bankrolled a new OS4 Mac port instead.
 

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Re: Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #122 on: January 29, 2011, 10:15:45 PM »
Ditto that. I finally broke down and purchased a MorphOS machine. To be correct, a PowerMac G4 at 150$. Add the cost of MorphOS to that and I have a 300$ system. Which is money I can spare for the amount I'm likely to use it. The X1000 simply doesn't justify itself cost-wise.

I would have paid for OS4 on a Mac Mini...
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Re: Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #123 on: January 29, 2011, 10:20:44 PM »
Hmm... finding this thread a wee bit confusing... :(

It's posted under "Amiga Hardware Issues & Discusions" but it mainly seems to be about MorphOS running on Macs, I admit I know very little about MorphOS but I'm kinda confused about where the Amiga fits into all of this or has A.org been taken over by a Mac forum... :)
 

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Re: Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #124 on: January 29, 2011, 10:25:01 PM »
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Hmm... finding this thread a wee bit confusing... :(

It's posted under "Amiga Hardware Issues & Discusions" but it mainly seems to be about MorphOS running on Macs, I admit I know very little about MorphOS but I'm kinda confused about where the Amiga fits into all of this or has A.org been taken over by a Mac forum... :)


You must know by now that MorphOS is a PPC AmigaOS compatible OS that runs on PPC macs...
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Re: Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #125 on: January 29, 2011, 10:25:59 PM »
Probably because you're thinking like a purist, Franko. :) I stopped thinking that way a lllloooonnnngggg time ago...
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Re: Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #126 on: January 29, 2011, 10:27:28 PM »
@ Karlos

Can't you change the poll thingy so that in future it's not longer just an option to see who voted for what, that way the culprits will be exposed for being such rotters... :)

(ooops... this one's in the wrong place should've been in the  "Do you want AmigaONE X1000 project to fail?" thread...sorry... :)
« Last Edit: January 29, 2011, 10:32:47 PM by Franko »
 

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Re: Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #127 on: January 29, 2011, 10:28:28 PM »
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You must know by now that MorphOS is a PPC AmigaOS compatible OS that runs on PPC macs...


Nope... but I do now... :)
 

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Re: Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #128 on: January 29, 2011, 10:45:26 PM »
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Hmm... finding this thread a wee bit confusing... :(

It's posted under "Amiga Hardware Issues & Discusions" but it mainly seems to be about MorphOS running on Macs, I admit I know very little about MorphOS but I'm kinda confused about where the Amiga fits into all of this or has A.org been taken over by a Mac forum... :)


MorphOS basically *is* (an) AmigaOS. It started a bit more than 10 years ago to write an OS that is fully OS3.x compatible, shares the same API and logic to use.
There is exec, intuition, dos, mui and all that stuff under the hood. The disklayout is the same as under OS3.x (c, s, devs, libs, prefs, utilities, tools, classes, locale), the RAM disk works the same, DOS shares the same commands and syntax. It is directly comaptible to non custom chip banging 68k software, as well as PowerUp software and WarpOS software.
It is written by many of those folks who actively kept Amiga alive when noone else was there in the late 90ies. The MorphOS-Team was in negotiation with Amiga Inc to make MorphOS the official AmigaOS4 but the conditions were unacceptable, so Hyperion later took this. MorphOS suported initially the P5 CyberstormPPC and BlizzardPPC (support for these cards ceased with the 2.0 release), then the various Pegasos computers and the Efika5200B.
Recently MorphOS happen to support some Apple PowerPC gear. Maybe in future MorphOS will shift the supported ISA, but not too soon.
Is that Amiga enough?
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Re: Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #129 on: January 29, 2011, 10:52:59 PM »
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MorphOS basically *is* an AmigaOS. It started a bit more than10 years ago to write an OS that is fully OS3.x compatible, shares the same API and logic touse.
There is exec, intuition, dos, mui and all that stuff under the hood. The disklayout is the same as under OS3.x (c, s, devs, libs, prefs, utilities, tools), the RAM disk works teh same. It is directly comaptible to non custom chip banging 68k software, as well as PowerUp software and WarpOS software.
It is written by many of those folks who actively kept Amiga alive when noone else was there in the later 90ies. The MorphOS-Team was in negotiation with Amiga Inc to make MorphOS the official AmigaOS4 but the conditions were unacceptable, so Hyperion later took this. MorphOS suported initially the P5 CyberstormPPC and BlizzardPPC (support for these cards ceased with teh 2.0 release), then the various Pegasos computers and the Efika5200B.
Recently MorphOS happen to support some Apple PowerPC gear. Maybe in future MorphOS will shift the supported ISA, but not too soon.
Is that Amiga enough?


Well it's the best explanation of MorphOS I've heard thanks, but I still don't get why this thread is mainly about it running on Macs unless it's giving you an Amiga emulation on a Mac, in that case MorphOS would be very interesting to me...:)
 

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Re: Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #130 on: January 29, 2011, 10:59:55 PM »
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I still don't get why this thread is mainly about it running on Macs

It's because these compatible PPC Macs can be bought at a fraction of the price of a custom built "amiga" hardware. Say 200 € instead of 1000+ € for a complete system.
 

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Re: Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #131 on: January 29, 2011, 11:05:35 PM »
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It's because these compatible PPC Macs can be bought at a fraction of the price of a custom built "amiga" hardware. Say 200 € instead of 1000+ € for a complete system.


Please don't omit very important parts in your statement. These compatible PPC Macs can be bought second hand at a fraction of the price of a custom built "amiga" hardware. Say 200 € instead of 1000+ € for a complete system.

You can buy designer's clothes for pennies at a thrift shop, that cost hundred of dollars in the mall. You can buy used Mac very cheap as well. If you are into that kind of stuff.

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Re: Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #132 on: January 29, 2011, 11:09:19 PM »
@drHirudo

I bet no OS4 user has ever sold their old system or bought a 2nd hand system. I mean everyone just trash their old AmigaOnes and SAMs, since they're obviously worthless... as they're no longer new.

Besides Apple has moved away from PPC years ago. It goes without saying that any PPC Mac bought is not new.

Really, you're starting to sound like a broken record here.
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Re: Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #133 on: January 29, 2011, 11:18:01 PM »
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@drHirudo

I bet no OS4 user has ever sold their old system or bought a 2nd hand system. I mean everyone just trash their old AmigaOnes and SAMs, since they're obviously worthless... as they're no longer new.

Really, you're starting to sound like a broken record here.


And you sound like a person who places the facts around what he wants to prove and skips the rest.
It was obvious that you compared the price to a second hand system to a brand new one. I made a fair comparison with the clothes from thrift shop and a designers shop. Then you continue with personal insults.

If you make such statements about 100 Euro versus 1000 Euro, please state that the 100 Euro are for second hand hardware, while the 1000 Euro are for new. It have nothing to do if AmigaOS users buy or not second hand hardware.

But you compare hardware scrap with hardware produced in the recent years that have some additional taxes attached to it like RoHS tax, money denominations, etc... I have no problems with your agenda, but the persons who don't know much like Franko will happen to believe your fallacies.

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Re: Why no new hardware for MorphOS??
« Reply #134 on: January 29, 2011, 11:22:11 PM »
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Well it's the best explanation of MorphOS I've heard thanks, but I still don't get why this thread is mainly about it running on Macs unless it's giving you an Amiga emulation on a Mac, in that case MorphOS would be very interesting to me...:)


MorphOS doesn't need an Amiga emulation - it just executes Amiga programs exactly as if they were MorphOS native programs. With the one difference: the 68k code is translated to ppc code on the fly by the 68k JIT (Maxxon cinema raytracer runs more than 50 times as fast as on an 68040/25 with the MorphOS JIT on a G4/1500 and about 30 times as fast on a G3/600 more benchmark results: http://via.i-networx.de/bench_en.html )
Look, for example I use Turbocalc, GoldEd and TV paint quite a lot (all 68k Amiga programs) - on my Pegasos, Efika and Mac mini directly with MorphOS. Even an old program from an old appetizder disk (the program write) works on MorphOS - and hence on Apple hardware.
The software that directly bangs the Amiga custom hardware (many older games or DPaint IV) usually doesn't work on MorphOS, but runs on E-UAE which is well integrated into Ambient (the workbench replacement): adf files can get launched with UAE straightly. But you need UAE *only* for hardware banging stuff, non banging stuff is executed directly (even old 1.x programs).