Why no new hardware for MorphOS??

[Piru]

Bad for MorphOS. Less potential customers. I am going to buy C-One with MiniMig extender module.

Good luck running AmigaOS4 on it!

You can't run AmigaOS on Teron mobo. There are Amiga developments on the AmigaOne board.

The only difference was a dongle inside the firmware that OS4 checks for. You wouldn't want to have customers able to run your OS on nothing but HW you control after all?

MorphOS still does not work good on Mac laptops

It runs very well on my PowerBook G4. Here it's running on Jacek's powerbook:
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neither on G5 Macs

More work is needed there, but it's working better all the time. Some shots from iMac G5 for instance:
showconfig
desktop
memtest
system overview

There wasn't need to spend several hundred of thousands of euros to develop this hardware.

Are you saying that MorphOS runs on some unknown, brand new hardware, that the developers are not willing to share about? Come on.

You expect anyone to reveal anything to you about any possible future developments? Come on.

[drHirudo]

So what? My old, dusty, stinky power mac is still outperforming your brand new, shiny AmigaOS4 hardware.

Why is it stinky?

Some people prefer brand new machines, than used, smelly, scratched and looking bad machines.
One of the reasons I prefer new hardware over old hardware is because of that odd smell. Especially if the previous owner was a smoker, the smell is disgusting.

[drHirudo]

Good luck running AmigaOS4 on it!

AmigaOS is good enough for me. Also, I feel at home with it

The only difference was a dongle inside the firmware that OS4 checks for. You wouldn't want to have customers able to run your OS on nothing but HW you control after all?

The other difference was that AmigaOne was available for purchase in single quantities for
end customers. Can you say the same for the Terons? So far - AmigaOne - end user product - Teron - development board. Quite a difference.

It runs very well on my PowerBook G4.

Not on mine. So far you can not say that MorphOS runs on PowerBooks G4, because it does not. You can say that MacOS X runs on PowerBooks and it is the truth. MorphOS does not run on my PowerBook. MorphOS does not run on Mac PowerBooks, period.

You expect anyone to reveal anything to you about any possible future developments? Come on.

It was a common tactic of MorphOS devs to reveal possible future developments, especially when new Amiga developments were announced and took all the attention of the tiny community. Of course I am not expecting for you to admit your tactics - but the pattern is obvious.

[krashan]

Bad for MorphOS. Less potential customers. I am going to buy C-One with MiniMig extender module. I will not miss MorphOS though, but if it was running I would give it a try.

You should buy some Pentium 3 machine and after learning that Windows 7 does not run on it, state "Bad for Windows 7. Less potential customers". The same level of reasoning.

You can't run AmigaOS on Teron mobo. There are Amiga developments on the AmigaOne board.

Yes, modifying some bits in EEPROM chip and checking them at system startup is the biggest "Amiga development" on this board.

Sam 460 exists. The income from the sales of the Sam 440 were used for the development and marketing of the Sam 460 and AmigaOS 4.1. The AmigaOne X1000 was shown running AmigaOS 4.1.  The sales of AmigaOS 4.1 helped Hyperion go to the exhibitions and show the machine running AmigaOS 4.1.

How it is related to your previous list of "Amiga custom hardware developed without a prior income"?

MorphOS still does not work good on Mac laptops

Much better than AmigaOS 4 on X1000 prototype.

Are you saying that MorphOS runs on some unknown, brand new hardware, that the developers are not willing to share about? Come on.

No. But if "nothing stops MorphOS to be ported to new hardware" (your words), you can't predict that it will never happen in the future.

[Franko]

One of the reasons I prefer new hardware over old hardware is because of that odd smell. Especially if the previous owner was a smoker, the smell is disgusting.

An old C64 I bought on ebay this week reeks of a very strong perfume after it's been on for a few minutes...

Still now that I've thoroughly cleaned it, it wont be long until my 40 a day habit has it reeking like an old ashtray... lovely jubblly...

[Piru]

The other difference was that AmigaOne was available for purchase in single quantities for end customers. Can you say the same for the Terons?

Several companies were supposed to sell Terons for end users. They however quickly found out that the hardware was just too broken. They decided against selling such defect boards to their customers.

Eyetech didn't have such moral problems. They were happy to sell broken HW to end users.

Not on mine.

I'm sorry for the delay but we wish to make sure that our product is feature complete, stable and has been beta tested before we sell it our customer.

It was a common tactic of MorphOS devs to reveal possible future developments, especially when new Amiga developments were announced and took all the attention of the tiny community.

Surely a coincidence.

[krashan]

The other difference was that AmigaOne was available for purchase in single quantities for end customers. Can you say the same for the Terons?

But it hardly can be defined as "Amiga development to the board". At least not one requiring some prior income comparable to cost of developing a new hardware.

Not on mine. So far you can not say that MorphOS runs on PowerBooks G4, because it does not.

Your Power Book is not the only one in the world. What if I state that Power Mac model I own, is unable to run MacOS? I have no MacOS installed on my HDD, so I can't run it here. There is some difference between "There is no public version of MorphOS running on PowerBook" and your claims.

MorphOS does not run on my PowerBook. MorphOS does not run on Mac PowerBooks, period.

I've worked in MorphOS on such a PowerBook for a few hours. What now?

[zylesea]

Why is it stinky?

Some people prefer brand new machines, than used, smelly, scratched and looking bad machines.
One of the reasons I prefer new hardware over old hardware is because of that odd smell. Especially if the previous owner was a smoker, the smell is disgusting.

Well, don't buy from doubtious sources. The seller of my Mac mini told me to be no smoker and that she cared well for teh device. 1st hand, Apple care, original boxes. It is neither smelly nor cratchy, but it was cheap, is very reliable, shiny, silent energy efficient (seemy mearures at http://via.i-networx.de/bench_en.html#uptake ) pretty fast and I needed not to wait until summer 2010 (and longer) but enjoy that device since more than 2 years now).
btw.
Btw. any comment on your attempt to diss the MorphOS G5 effort with the arguemnet of high energy uptake now that I provided you numbers? Where are your numbers for the X1000 then?

[Iggy]

Well, don't buy from doubtious sources. The seller of my Mac mini told me to be no smoker and that she cared well for teh device. 1st hand, Apple care, original boxes. It is neither smelly nor cratchy, but it was cheap, is very reliable, shiny, silent energy efficient (seemy mearures at http://via.i-networx.de/bench_en.html#uptake ) pretty fast and I needed not to wait until summer 2010 (and longer) but enjoy that device since more than 2 years now).
btw.
Btw. any comment on your attempt to diss the MorphOS G5 effort with the arguemnet of high energy uptake now that I provided you numbers? Where are your numbers for the X1000 then?

Well Zylesea, you know me and you know I'm a rabid supporter of MorphOS, but the G5 really is a power hog. The faster models come with a 600 watt power supply. Thats almost twice the output of a G4 power supply.
I'm not sure about PA Semi's product, but I'm fairly sure it uses less power.

However, I also don't really see the validity of the argument either. I live in a town on the east coast of the United States that charges a premium for electricity and even so the differences would not significantly affect my monthly bill.

[zylesea]

The faster models come with a 600 watt power supply. Thats almost twice the output of a G4 power supply.
I'm not sure about PA Semi's product, but I'm fairly sure it uses less power.

Some PowerMac G4 are really sucking a lot of juice. But don't just trust the PSU ratings - do actual measurements. The 2x2GHz G5 Powermac drains about 150 on average use. That's quite a lot. But I was speaking about the iMac G5 - and these don't take that much enrgy up. Just read my numbers from above.
So it is true, there are PowerMac G5s that peak at max load with really high values (in the several hunderet watts range), but not *all* G5s. Select your G5 with care and then these issues become void.
I use 100% renewable energy, a kW costs me about 0.215 EUR and I am quite employed on energy efficience and stuff like that. I am pretty much aware of what I am talking about.
Have to check the numbers of the iMac 20" myself though (don't have one yet). Same is true for the X1000. IIRC in some posing it was said it sucks 25W - sounds plausible to me.
Given the numbers I gave above are right, an iMac G5 2 GHz consumes energy for 10EUR more on a year than an X1000... Speedwise these devices should be pretty on par.

[zylesea]

Providing a few more number for the iMac G5: The 2.1 GHz version takes about 90W on average use with a medium bright display. Lets assume 30W for the display (my 22" Dell 2209WA sucks more). Makes 60W for the G5 system, say the PA6T system goes as low as 25W this makes a difference of 35W/h. Assume 8hrs usage a day this sums up to a bit above  8kw/month. Multiply this with 12 and you end up with about 200kw more enrgy uptake than the Pa6T system. Costs me with 0.215 EUR/kw 43 EUR/year - for 365*8hrs.
My aasumptions for the PA6T system are optimistic here. The 2.0 GHz version draws a little less.

[Iggy]

Very informative Zylesea. So I would assume the power supplies on G5 Powermacs have a lot of excess capacity for expansion items like drives and video cards. I'm surprised the G5s are that efficient.

[haywirepc]

I think this whole morph verses aos4 thing is kind of funny. I also think, regarless of people crying for unity, that competition is good for both camps.
 
I wonder how many people who bought an "amigaone" board realized that it was just a board that was never intended for that. Morphos people getting trashed for porting to mac hardware is kinda funny considering that none of the boards running os4 were designed for that purpose.
 
X1000 may be different, but endless delays so far, it dosn't look good.
 
Myself? I run AROS on a 3ghz box that runs rings around anything os4 or morphos can touch for pure processing power.
 
I will say that if morphos gets running on powermac g5's I'll be the first to buy one and a morphos liscense. I think they should do that because if x1000 ever gets released, they can have hardware just as fast for 1/10 of the price.
 
Steven

[drHirudo]

Your Power Book is not the only one in the world. What if I state that Power Mac model I own, is unable to run MacOS?

That statement would be utterly wrong. Fact is that you CAN install MacOS on this model.

I have no MacOS installed on my HDD, so I can't run it here. There is some difference between "There is no public version of MorphOS running on PowerBook" and your claims.

There is version for your Power Mac model of MacOS X that runs on it. There is no version of MorphOS that runs on my PowerBook.

I've worked in MorphOS on such a PowerBook for a few hours. What now?

MorphOS works on very narrow range of PowerBook models with specific video chips inside. MorphOS does not work on PowerBooks, period.

Now imagine this scene: You run MorphOS on Powerbook and some experienced Mac user likes the operating system and want installed it on his Powerbook.
-Then you make a statement - it works on Powerbook!
So he trusts you and downloads MorphOS, only to find that it does not work on his Powerbook.  I would prefer to avoid situations as such, where I will be taken as liar. But when you say - MorphOS runs on Mac Powerbooks - you will be a liar.

[tone007]

MorphOS works on very narrow range of PowerBook models with specific video chips inside. MorphOS does not work on PowerBooks, period.

I find it hard to believe Piru wasted his time arguing with someone who obviously can't reason their way out of a paper bag.

[drHirudo]

Are you stating that MorphOS runs on Powerbooks? Please write it so I can quote you in the Mac forums. Surely a selling point for the Powerbooks. Will raise their price a lot.