Why no new hardware for MorphOS??

[TheBilgeRat]

The MacMini is an awseome piece of kit, small , silent , well designed.  I was sceptical at first.  But people who refuse you Mac hardware are blined by the OS.  Mac Os sucks balls, well I really don't like it anyway, but your only using the hardware.  despite what you think of apple, and i won't buy apple products, they do generally make good looking, robust hardware.

Well, and on all those old great PwrPC macs there is no longer any support for MacOS.  Macs usually are very well made.  I'm glad they're porting over to the G5s, as you can pick them up with dual 1.6-2.0Ghz macpros for around 300 bucks.  That is a crapton of computing for most everything (plus MorphOS).

[Varthall]

That makes an awful lot of assumptions about a lot of things, for instance that the huge costs in developing even "mid range" performance hardware with an exotic PPC such as the one in the PA6T for starters. It assumes also that the X1000/460 ever sells enough to recoup those costs or that PPCs that are in any way useful to the desktop are still available, consider that the PA6T being used now is basically warehouse stock that will never be replaced.

Rogue on aw.net has stated that they have already choosen a CPU (or a CPU family) which will be used in the X1000's successor, if this option would not have been available they probably wouldn't have chosen to support the X1000 project. The 460 has been made thanks to the good enough sales of the 440 (as mentioned by m3x), at least this is an indicator that there are possibilities that the 460 will sell enough, too.

Varthall

[klx300r]

That makes an awful lot of assumptions about a lot of things, for instance that the huge costs in developing even "mid range" performance hardware with an exotic PPC such as the one in the PA6T for starters. It assumes also that the X1000/460 ever sells enough to recoup those costs or that PPCs that are in any way useful to the desktop are still available, consider that the PA6T being used now is basically warehouse stock that will never be replaced.

well considering 5 years ago according to many the PPC market was dead but here we are now with new PPC boards available for AmigaOS.  I'll eventually upgade my Sam440 to a new board by either ACube or A-Eon and that opens up the used market for older PPC boards which is a great thing indeed bringing prices down for those that want to get into the scene again.

[TheBilgeRat]

That and I picked up a 1.2gig G4 tower for free that was been used as a door stop at a client office

Lucky!

[drHirudo]

I think the high end G5's will outperform the X1000 in many (most?) benchmarks.

Yes, in the Power consumption at most.
In noise generation as well.
In dust collection benchmarks if you don't clean it often.

I see a lot of old mac scrap loving guys. You assume that the old cheap machine is good for you, but for me a new less power consuming machine like AmigaOne X1000 and Sam460 are better purchases, even if more expensive than an old G5 Mac.

In two years of usage time, I will pay less for my new AmigaOne hardware, than you for your old Mac, if I calculate the electricity bills in the equations. And I do.

If someone else pays your electricity bills, then buying old power un-efficient Macs with CRT is good. Too bad I have to pay my bills by myself, so I can not afford to have old G5 Mac or CRT machine. Will go for the AmigaOne though.

Of course my equations will not work for you because:
1. You don't use your MorphOS machine a lot.
2. You don't pay your bills.
3. You hate having new stuff.
4. You want to look cool by showing your friends how your old Mac runs another operating system (how unimpressive).

I believe people will be more impressed to see MorphOS running on NEW Apple or other brands hardware, but that is just me.

Regards

[Piru]

ahh yes but for how long JJ ? old macs will only start drying up

I'm afraid your AmineOne supply will dry out well before Mac supply will.

[gazgod]

well considering 5 years ago according to many the PPC market was dead but here we are now with new PPC boards available for AmigaOS.  I'll eventually upgade my Sam440 to a new board by either ACube or A-Eon and that opens up the used market for older PPC boards which is a great thing indeed bringing prices down for those that want to get into the scene again.

No 5 years ago the PPC markets for the desktop was dead, it still is. OS4 has just been ported to boards that are designed and only suitable for embedded application where the PPC is still very popular. The X1000 is the exception to this but it is due to one mans desire to have a fast(ish) OS4 machine and not anything to do with the reality of the computing world.

[gazgod]

Lucky!

Indeed, it even had a radeon 9100 GFX card

[jj]

Yes, in the Power consumption at most.
In noise generation as well.
In dust collection benchmarks if you don't clean it often.
 
I see a lot of old mac scrap loving guys. You assume that the old cheap machine is good for you, but for me a new less power consuming machine like AmigaOne X1000 and Sam460 are better purchases, even if more expensive than an old G5 Mac.
 
In two years of usage time, I will pay less for my new AmigaOne hardware, than you for your old Mac, if I calculate the electricity bills in the equations. And I do.
 
If someone else pays your electricity bills, then buying old power un-efficient Macs with CRT is good. Too bad I have to pay my bills by myself, so I can not afford to have old G5 Mac or CRT machine. Will go for the AmigaOne though.
 
Of course my equations will not work for you because:
1. You don't use your MorphOS machine a lot.
2. You don't pay your bills.
3. You hate having new stuff.
4. You want to look cool by showing your friends how your old Mac runs another operating system (how unimpressive).
 
I believe people will be more impressed to see MorphOS running on NEW Apple or other brands hardware, but that is just me.
 
Regards

 
1) who says we dont,  you been hiding in my house or something
2) I have been paying my own bills for 16 years you condescending person
3) What an idiotic thing to say
4)  Dont give a fook for Macs, its just what MorphOS runs on.

[klx300r]

No 5 years ago the PPC markets for the desktop was dead, it still is. OS4 has just been ported to boards that are designed and only suitable for embedded application where the PPC is still very popular. The X1000 is the exception to this but it is due to one mans desire to have a fast(ish) OS4 machine and not anything to do with the reality of the computing world.

yes but we're still hear and partying:afro:

oh and never underestimate the power of one mans dream:)

[drHirudo]

1) who says we dont,  you been hiding in my house or something

Because running G5 Mac is damn expensive power consumption experience. If you don't use MorphOS a lot, you will not be afraid to have it running and mostly idling on G5 power (consumption) station.

2) I have been paying my own bills for 16 years you condescending person

So you never look at your bills? Or you never care what you pay for what? I see a lots of posts before you, saying how buying old Mac saves money. But please be clear - it saves money in the initial purchase. I presume you don't love to forecast the events.

3) What an idiotic thing to say

Read the posts before me, including the posts made by yourself, about how you praise the old hardware and how wonderful it is. And how you trash the new Amiga hardware. What an outsider would think? Please be honest.

4)  Dont give a fook for Macs, its just what MorphOS runs on.

MorphOS don't runs on Macs. It runs on a very narrow range of DESKTOP Mac machines with specific CPUs (PPC) and specific graphics cards. I have a Mac (notebook) at home and it does NOT run MorphOS. Please be honest, because not everyone who reads your Macs praises is an outsider.

[mbrantley]

How good are you with repairs? I have a good spare CRT I'm looking to dump. Cap kits are cheap on eBay.

Thanks, red. My solder skills are scary, but not as scary as high-voltage CRT work. I'm less likely to embark on a repair than I am to jump to a different Mac model or just devote my efforts and resources into AOS4 (where my heart is) or AROS (where my brain is). For the moment, the bulging caps have done no harm and the display is not too bad -- although I don't see this eMac as a longterm investment.

All that said, I do own a PowerMac G5 dual-CPU 2 ghz tower that I bought new when it was top-of-the-line Apple gear. If that particular machine, which I do have some sentimental attachment to, should become supported by MorphOS I will likely buy a new license. I'd do that to reward the development and not worry with shipping a busted eMac to whomever.

[dammy]

Because running G5 Mac is damn expensive power consumption experience. If you don't use MorphOS a lot, you will not be afraid to have it running and mostly idling on G5 power (consumption) station.

Oh, lets play the power game. A1X1K takes how much power on the average in a 24 hour period?  G5 for the same.  take the difference times what the average power company is charging @ watt hour and find where the total cost point is.  I expect it to be close to if not exceeding a decade.

[TheBilgeRat]

Oh, lets play the power game. A1X1K takes how much power on the average in a 24 hour period?  G5 for the same.  take the difference times what the average power company is charging @ watt hour and find where the total cost point is.  I expect it to be close to if not exceeding a decade.

Exactly.  It's like when I really wanted to get a TDI here in the states.  People were so desperate for them that dealers could and were marking them up 5-10000 dollars ABOVE sticker.  Because they could.  so, a 24k car turned into a 29-30k car.  It would have taken decades to see the money saved in fuel efficiency and repairs.  So I went with a 15k rabbit gasser.  not nearly as fuel efficient, but really fun to drive.  

I have heard this argument elsewhere.  If you are going to get this anal, you need to factor in the electricity and energy cost it took to print the new board, assemble it, etc, as well as the resource drain.  The sunk cost for the older hardware was paid for long ago.  The only time that electricity argument is going to hold water is if you are operating server farms.

[mbrantley]

I gotta say... the only time I ever worry much about power consumption in personal computers is when they need to run off batteries. Perhaps electricity is far cheaper where I live than elsewhere in the world. I dunno.

[redrumloa]

Exactly. It's like when I really wanted to get a TDI here in the states. People were so desperate for them that dealers could and were marking them up 5-10000 dollars ABOVE sticker. Because they could. so, a 24k car turned into a 29-30k car. It would have taken decades to see the money saved in fuel efficiency and repairs. So I went with a 15k rabbit gasser. not nearly as fuel efficient, but really fun to drive.

OT, but I paid $19.2k for my TDI NEW. :afro: