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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #104 from previous page: January 30, 2011, 04:31:11 PM »
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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #105 on: January 30, 2011, 05:04:43 PM »
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These 15 votes that they want that AmigaONE X1000 project to fail, show us there are Amiga users that they are bad people, and well, I don't think that people are, but perhaps the same people that want new Pegasos?


Lets not play the demonization hand of those who voted against your wishes.  Perhaps it's time for you to open a dialog on why they view things in such a manner instead of attempting to censor their POV by demonizing them?

And no, I did not vote as I did not see a pancakes option!
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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #106 on: January 30, 2011, 05:31:25 PM »
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Lets not play the demonization hand of those who voted against your wishes.  Perhaps it's time for you to open a dialog on why they view things in such a manner instead of attempting to censor their POV by demonizing them?

And no, I did not vote as I did not see a pancakes option!


Wowsers....:eek:

Randy, Randy, dear dear Randy... that's a bit rich coming from someone who agrees with CUSA that because some folks points of view on FaceBook doesn't match CUSAs viewpoint it's fine to censor those folk by deleting their POVs without any decency to respond to them... :rolleyes:

and who likes to go about airing totally absurd reasons why he doesn't think someone has only been on the internet since last June, kinda one rule for you and different rules for everyone else... eh... ;)

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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #107 on: January 30, 2011, 06:14:39 PM »
I voted no.
Its two very different projects.
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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #108 on: January 30, 2011, 06:32:16 PM »
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They did? Last time I checked, there were vastly more Windows installations out there than OSX ones, totalling around 85% of the "web client" market share*. Might have something to do with the fact that Windows, for all it's many sins, isn't tied to a single hardware vendor.

*this is basically a measurement based on browser user agent strings, which isn't that reliable due to spoofing (and other issues), but should be roughly ball-park. If anything, the figure is likely to be higher since many business PCs running windows are operating behind strict firewall rules that limit their access or are blocked from accessing the internet all together.


Apple shipped more than PC sales recently in the USA IIRC.

The legacy of Win-PC dominance will take ages to topple.
 

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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #109 on: January 30, 2011, 06:57:32 PM »
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Apple shipped more than PC sales recently in the USA IIRC.

The legacy of Win-PC dominance will take ages to topple.


How do you even measure PC sales? Everybody I know builds their own, at least when it comes to their home systems,
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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #110 on: January 30, 2011, 07:25:24 PM »
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How do you even measure PC sales? Everybody I know builds their own, at least when it comes to their home systems,

I imagine there has to be sales figures for windows at least.
 
Of course PC does not equal windows. Any market share numbers tend to be highly problematic regardless of methods used.
 
In the end though, it doesn't matter. "amiga' in whatever form it takes doesn't need to topple anything. It just needs to survive.
 

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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #111 on: January 30, 2011, 07:26:32 PM »
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In the end though, it doesn't matter. "amiga' in whatever form it takes doesn't need to topple anything. It just needs to survive.


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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #112 on: January 30, 2011, 10:41:40 PM »
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Not in my opinion. If I had to choose only between Apple and Microsoft, then I would choose Microsoft over Apple any day, easily :afro:

For the record i despise Apple. I hate the arrogance of closing in the users and i think their products are massively overpriced and overrated.

If you really want to know i am a Sony fanboy. I have been since i bought my first Playstation 15 years ago. Maybe fanboy is the wrong term as i think Sony is a bastard company so i will describe myself as brand loyal only. If i ever buy another laptop it's going to be the VAIO which i really like :)
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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #113 on: January 30, 2011, 10:47:23 PM »
According to Wikipedia* osx has a 6.82% marketshare and Windows is 84.97% :rtfm:

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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #114 on: January 31, 2011, 12:56:09 AM »
I voted no, because if more X1000s are sold this increases the chances of someone writing an X1000 emulator.
 

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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #115 on: January 31, 2011, 01:21:52 AM »
you hope for an emulator of something that doesnt yet exist? perhaps there is first amigaone, pegasos, and samantha emulator to write?
 

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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #116 on: January 31, 2011, 01:39:48 AM »
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For the record i despise Apple. I hate the arrogance of closing in the users and i think their products are massively overpriced and overrated.
 
If you really want to know i am a Sony fanboy. I have been since i bought my first Playstation 15 years ago. Maybe fanboy is the wrong term as i think Sony is a bastard company so i will describe myself as brand loyal only. If i ever buy another laptop it's going to be the VAIO which i really like :)

I cant really get myself to hate Apple. MS is as bad in virtually every regard as far as I figure. Easier to vote with my wallet and ignore both.
 
I do agree with you on Sony though. I have rarely been disappointed with a purchase of a Sony product, at least as far as hardware goes.
 

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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #117 on: January 31, 2011, 03:08:35 AM »
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For the record i despise Apple. I hate the arrogance of closing in the users and i think their products are massively overpriced and overrated.

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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #118 on: January 31, 2011, 12:46:14 PM »
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I'm still stuck with subpar OS that is not currently capable of doing what the common man needs a PC to do daily.  



I think the "common man" - even if his hobby is Amiga - already has at least one x86-PC "capable of doing what he needs a PC to do daily".

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Outdated OS4 browsers have me reaching for my iPhone to take up the slack, the SW simply isn't there.



Hmmmm - my main system still is OS3.9/WarpOS16.1 and on it I'm using IBrowse 2.4. Most of the sites I visit render fine.
And if there really is something I cannot get done on the Miggy in a timely manner, I switch on the XP-PC underneath my desk and remote control it with RDesktop from my A4kPPC...

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The price point is absolutely insane for 99.99% of their market - which is the hobby user.
People won't pay $2500 for nostalgia factor,



What's wrong with your memory?

Trevor said from the very beginning that the A1 X1k IS NOT for the average user, but for geeks and devs.
Which of the two tiny words didn't you understand: "is" or "not"?

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but that being said, I hope the enthusiastic coders writing for OS4 keep coding and the platform/OS makes headway.  



I guess that is the intention: to give the devs the necessary HW to develoop the OS towards 64 Bit capability and SMP capability.

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I enjoy my SAM, and won't be selling it anytime soon,



The same goes for my A4kPPC.

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but I'm also not delusional enough to think it can even come close to most "smart" phones in regards to daily use - and daily use in a broad "what most people need to do in 2011" way.



My way of "daily use" does certainly NOT depend on "what most people need to do in 2011", but rather on what I need to do at present.

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As much as I was put off by the fanboyish MorphOS guys constantly shit talking OS4, it's about dollars and cents, people.  I was very interested in the X1000 originally - until the price was mentioned, and had planned on picking up a SAM 460 until the retail price was released a few days ago.  



Here it is more about Euros and Cents - but nevertheless.
Why were you "very interested in the X1k originally" - are you a geek or a developer?
As this is the target audience for the A1 X1k, according to Trevor...

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I now see how attractive the cheapie Mac's and MorphOS are now.



Fine - then do yourself a favour and get one - I'll possibly do that as well...

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It's very hard to argue against the commodity hardware (old PPC mac's, AROS boxes)  aspect when it is a $2500 (x1000/OS 4) vs. a $200 (Mac/MorphOS) situation.
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You get it wrong all the time - it is NOT a $2500 (x1000/OS 4) vs. a $200 (Mac/MorphOS) situation, as the X1k never was meant for "the average Joe user".

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Everyone here can probably universally agree that the pricepoint of the X1000 is a huge stumbling block in regards to how it will be accepted.



Everyone here can probably universally agree that constantly and prayer like repeating of unfunded nonsense (like "the A1 X1k is too expensive and will fail because of that") will not make it any more reasonable.
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Re: Do you want the AmigaOne X1000 project to fail?
« Reply #119 on: January 31, 2011, 01:08:55 PM »
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Wowsers....:eek:

Randy, Randy, dear dear Randy... that's a bit rich coming from someone who agrees with CUSA that because some folks points of view on FaceBook doesn't match CUSAs viewpoint it's fine to censor those folk by deleting their POVs without any decency to respond to them... :rolleyes:


Franko, or who ever you really are, C=USA just wants to get their message out about their product they are selling.  It's not up there for being slagged on by OS4 user(s).  I do say it's a classic move that a OS4 user(s) gets C=USA to drop it's comment section by slagging them on their own page.  If you want to go and voice your negative posts, commodore-amiga.org is more acceptable media since there is staff to monitor the postings of drama queens.

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and who likes to go about airing totally absurd reasons why he doesn't think someone has only been on the internet since last June, kinda one rule for you and different rules for everyone else... eh... ;)

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