SAM 460 poor performance, high price

[kickstart]

A question for u OS4 die hards, when is too much too much?

1000 dollar motherboard 1 GHz motherboard, 2000 dollar 2 GHz motherboard, would you pay 3000 dollars for a 3 GHz mobo?

Just imagine if some day another amiga brand squezeer make a terahertz "amiga" heh

[klx300r]

it's all in the eye of the beholder my friend;) I'm very happy you agree that crazy money for a Blizzard1260 is absurd so do you want to sell me your Blizzard 1260 for $100?? please pm me now:)

[runequester]

The equipment that both MOS and OS4 runs on are pretty outdated by now.
 
Is the bickering really worth it anymore?
 
My crappy 300 dollar off the shelf PC has more horse power than any hardware either OS will ever run on, and I didn't have to shell out money for a proprietary OS on top of it.
Throw AROS on there (free to use, free to share), and while it won't exploit all the hardware at the moment, at least it has a future.
 
Bonus points that if I wanted to run AROS, I can actually go into a store and buy a cheapie PC to run it on.

[Iggy]

The equipment that both MOS and OS4 runs on are pretty outdated by now.
 
Is the bickering really worth it anymore?
 
My crappy 300 dollar off the shelf PC has more horse power than any hardware either OS will ever run on, and I didn't have to shell out money for a proprietary OS on top of it.
Throw AROS on there (free to use, free to share), and while it won't exploit all the hardware at the moment, at least it has a future.
 
Bonus points that if I wanted to run AROS, I can actually go into a store and buy a cheapie PC to run it on.

Yes, but I didn't spend $300 on my system. And AROS has not reached the stability of MorphOS. Isn't it curious that everyone wants to port Fab's MorphOS version of OWB.
 
Face it, we've got thew most reliable NG OS and the best hardware prices.
Anyone who tries it comes away impressed. Why don't you give it a shot?

[NovaCoder]

Out of interest, how much would non-OS4 user's be happy to pay for the 460 so that they could give OS4 a try?   Personally, I'd consider anything over 300 EUR a high price, all things considered.

I'm actually very surprised that ACube have even released a new MB, maybe they really do sell most of them to Industry?   Then again I was also very surprised about the X1000 announcement and quite a few other things that go on around here

[runequester]

Yes, but I didn't spend $300 on my system. And AROS has not reached the stability of MorphOS. Isn't it curious that everyone wants to port Fab's MorphOS version of OWB.

You can get old mac's for a 50, but you still have to shell out the cost of the OS (150 euro still?).
So the cost isn't all that much higher for a PC, and it can do a lot the old mac could never even dream of.
 

Face it, we've got thew most reliable NG OS and the best hardware prices.
Anyone who tries it comes away impressed. Why don't you give it a shot?

Im sure its the most reliable. I doubt a comparable to G4 PC would run you much more than 50 bucks nowadays either though.

A choice between proprietary and open software is a non-choice to me, so I'll pass, sorry.

EDIT: Not trying to be a snot here either, if that makes any sense?

[Iggy]

Out of interest, how much would non-OS4 user's be happy to pay for the 460 so that they could give OS4 a try? Personally, I'd consider anything over 300 EUR a high price, all things considered.
 
I'm actually very surprised that ACube have even released a new MB, maybe they really do sell most of them to Industry? Then again I was also very surprised about the X1000 announcement and quite a few other things that go on around here

 
I'm impressed with both of them. If I could get the SAM460EX without AOS4.1 I'd consider it.
But right now my focus is expanding the MorphOS coder base. Since the SAM460EX has to be purchased with AOS4.1, its not a porting candidate.
 
Thats odd since Treavor sent an X1000 board to the MorphOS development team a long time ago.

[fishy_fiz]

In powerpc amiga terms, I am still using a 603e, therefore by the "law of trying to compensate for other inadequacies", I clearly have the biggest manhood.

I have a broken bppc 175mhz 603e/25 mhz '040 card.... not only the crappiest bppc available for amiga but also dead. Do I win ?  

[Iggy]

I have a broken bppc 175mhz 603e/25 mhz '040 card.... not only the crappiest bppc available for amiga but also dead. Do I win ?

Can you code? Read my post.

[fishy_fiz]

Backtracking a little, but the term "custom hardware" gets thrown around a bit as a pro for OS4.x. Now each to his own, but this seems clutching as straws to me. There's next to nothing interesting about these systems in terms of custom hardware, it's predomiantely industry standard gear. I know that "arguement" gets thrown around a bit too, but it happens to be true. For my tastes value can be added to a system if it offers something different. I actually find super aga more interesting (even if Im pretty dubious on natami) than industry standard gfx cards for example, and would pay a little more for it than I would more powerful standard pci/agp/pci express cards..... this type of custom hardware does have a little bit of additional value, but apart from running os4.x the "custom hardware" for that OS offers nothing interesting that should increase its price, or even be consider something for the pro category (infact it's probably in the con list for my tastes considering the price).

And before someone assumes otherwise, no, Im not a MOS user (yet, I may buy in one day), and yes I am interested in OS4 still, although so far the whole thing has reeked of incompetence in most areas,... product choices/prices/long winded courtcases/arguements with parent company/technical merrits vs. similar products/etc.
There's a reason people regularly voice thier discontent with OS4.x, and that's simply because there's plenty to be discontent about.

[fishy_fiz]

Can you code? Read my post.

Im no Fab, Deadwood, Mschulz, etc. but I try    I've done a fair few ports of software to AROS (Dosbox, Bochs, and a few dozen others) and have done lots of original bits and pieces for the classics as well as ports. My real interest is in creating original stuff rather than ports though (am currently working on an original 2d paint package).
I did see your initiative to get some mos systems in the hands of coders and was interested, but didnt bother responding as my talents are somewhat modest vs. the above sorts of people I mentioned  

[AmigaNG]

A question for u OS4 die hards, when is too much too much? 1000 dollar motherboard 1 GHz motherboard, 2000 dollar 2 GHz motherboard, would you pay 3000 dollars for a 3 GHz mobo?

Never thought about it like that before $1 per mhz. at least I know where my money going

But all seriousness, I can only speak for myself, I'm not daft I have questioned the price of Amigaos4 and it hardware its a shame but this is what is cost to get more customized, industry or specialised hardware what ever you want to call it, now should they port OS4 to cheap ppc hardware like Macs, well they could do that, but how much of a future would that gives us, its not massively helped MorphOS improve its market share. And once they do get the AmigaOS4 on all the PPC mac hardware there is, where do we go from then?

I see the only real future for OS4 and morphOS to either make their own hardware or port the OS to a different cheaper processor and try and compete their, but little point in doing that as we already have Aros doing x86 and ARM processors soon.

At the end of the day I like OS4 it not cheap, and the AmigaONE X1000 maybe too much for me to justify I think my limit is around £1,500 to £2,000 mark, now its looking less and less likely that even this price is going to be achievable but if it is too much at least there is an alternative for me to join in OS4 world thanks to the sams boards [/FONT]

[Piru]

You can get old mac's for a 50, but you still have to shell out the cost of the OS (150 euro still?).

The MorphOS key file is 111 € (includes VAT).

Also you can test MorphOS for free for as long as you like, 30 minutes at a time. After each 30 minute session the system slows down and you can reboot for another 30 minute testing period. There are no other limitations.

[ciento]

The equipment that both MOS and OS4 runs on are pretty outdated by now.
 
Is the bickering really worth it anymore?
 

Hey, I want a Detroit Lions Vs Buffalo Bills game, none of this Super Bowl nonsense. I want the worst of the worst to have it out, and settle it for all to see
Go Lions:hammer:  Go Bills:hammer:  The crowd will break all records











for fewest people to care about showing up. All the petty :bitch: for all these years,
the wasted energy, wasted resources, opportunity squandered...makes the
Commodore bankruptcy look like the brilliance in comparison.
Mediocrity is the bitter fruit of independance.

[smf]

Saying Amiga is crap is weird argument to spend thousands of dollars.

Yes it might sound strange but it's a hobby and i'm insane so it's worth it, but i wouldn't recommend it to anyone sane to even look at anything that has anything to do with aos/aros/morphos.
It's a pain to use them compared to the mainstream alternatives and it's a pain to have several computers just to run different os'es. But it's so exciting to follow all the improvements in my beloved OS from my childhood when Aos was king even if it's lightyears behind now. Aros and morphos has no roots for me even if i have been using it for many years now (have only tested aros quickly a few times). It sucked from the beginning and it sucks now.

[itix]

But it's so exciting to follow all the improvements in my beloved OS from my childhood when Aos was king even if it's lightyears behind now. Aros and morphos has no roots for me even if i have been using it for many years now (have only tested aros quickly a few times). It sucked from the beginning and it sucks now.

That is going to change when UAE users adopt new AROS/68k.