SAM 460 poor performance, high price

[Argo]

In number crunching SAM 460 is barely as fast as the Pegasos2 G4@1GHz if you don't account for the altivec. If altivec is taken into account then G4@1GHz runs circles around the system. Granted, Sam460 has a faster memory interface, but the number crunching figures are quite disappointing.

Not doubting you, but do you care to toss out some numbers on this? I'd just like to know what size gap we're talking about here in performance.

[cv643d]

A question for u OS4 die hards, when is too much too much?

1000 dollar motherboard 1 GHz motherboard, 2000 dollar 2 GHz motherboard, would you pay 3000 dollars for a 3 GHz mobo?

[JC]

I have an A600 that was given to me with this accelerator: http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=90  and it feels faster than any peecee I've ever used. It's all about the feel. Amiga Rules, Amiga Rocks, Long Live Amiga! If you don't like it, so what, I don't care.

[Piru]

Not doubting you, but do you care to toss out some numbers on this? I'd just like to know what size gap we're talking about here in performance.

The only CPU benchmark for SAM460 that I've seen has been the distributed.net client results from a 1GHz SAM460. distributed.net is only bound by the CPU, and there are special optimized cores for AltiVec. This makes it possible to compare the CPUs performing highly CPU bound task with specifically optimized code. This test will not account for the memory bus performance differences, and for that more complex benchmarks would need to be run.

There are two types of distributed.net tasks, OGR and RC5-72.

OGR

• Sam 460 1.0GHz: 10,124,948 nodes/sec
• Pegasos 2 G4 1.0GHz: 20,844,783 nodes/sec
• Mac Mini G4 1.5GHz: 31,267,175 nodes/sec

RC5-72

• Sam 460 1.0GHz: 3,286,052 keys/sec
• Pegasos2 G4 1.0GHz: 10,678,428 keys/sec
• Mac Mini G4 1.5GHz: 15,701,333 keys/sec

The final Sam 460 is said to be running "upto 1.15 Ghz", but multiplying the results by 1.15 doesn't give significantly different results. In fairness the results are not as crushing when executing generic PowerPC code, however.

[AmigaNG]

Why did you even bring up Eyetech in this thread anyway?

I sorry I did bring up Eyetech now, I was only replying  to nicholas statement that the AmigaOne project failed 8 years ago, my reply was “Actually Eyetech where doing ok with sales of the Amigaone it was more their hardware problems and suppliers that was their undoing.”
 
 I still stand by that statement, if the boards had no issues then more users like myself might of got them, but I was strongly (as where many others) put off by the fact that both the hardware and software was buggy. Plus suppliers issues is also true and the fact that Amiga Inc looked like they where going to screw them over all made the amigaone project fail 8 years ago. This all I was trying to get across. Now lets get the thread back on topic.

[Karlos]

In powerpc amiga terms, I am still using a 603e, therefore by the "law of trying to compensate for other inadequacies", I clearly have the biggest manhood.

[klx300r]

Nice one. Already 9 pages of the usual bash-fest. As I suppose the thread was started exactly for this purpose, I would say it succeeded.  :-(

hey at least he & the usual MOS suspects stopped hi-jacking other OS4 threads and started this one..besides we all know this is Piru's main objective here anyway

[ElPolloDiabl]

In powerpc amiga terms, I am still using a 603e, therefore by the "law of trying to compensate for other inadequacies", I clearly have the biggest manhood.

I'm sure a MAc user will step in with a 60Mhz 601. :roflmao:

[Karlos]

I'm sure a MAc user will step in with a 60Mhz 601. :roflmao:

Yeah, but being as it only runs MacOS classic, you have to factor in an order of magnitude reduction in size anyway. More than mitigates the bragging rights from having a 601

[ElPolloDiabl]

A question for u OS4 die hards, when is too much too much?

1000 dollar motherboard 1 GHz motherboard, 2000 dollar 2 GHz motherboard, would you pay 3000 dollars for a 3 GHz mobo?

That starts to make sense, because then you actually have a high end system.
I think that the IBM PowerPC units start around $10,000 and that is just too much (for me at least).

[Argo]

MorphOS is a nice operating system, but is Amiga Os 4.x is made from original sources of Amiga Os 3.1.

If you only knew...

[Gulliver]

Just a bare motherboard with an OS cdrom that doesnt even support USB 2.0 and all at the reasonable price of north of $1000.


Are these guys fraking nuts???    :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[kickstart]

I have an A600 that was given to me with this accelerator: http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=90  and it feels faster than any peecee I've ever used. It's all about the feel. Amiga Rules, Amiga Rocks, Long Live Amiga! If you don't like it, so what, I don't care.

Because youre talking about a real amiga not a wannabe amiga like these sam boards, 900eur board underpowered for this price and waiting for the next ultraexpensive x1000 joke... and some people like cheerleaders for it =(

[klx300r]

Because youre talking about a real amiga not a wannabe amiga like these sam boards, 900eur board underpowered for this price and waiting for the next ultraexpensive x1000 joke... and some people like cheerleaders for it =(

hmm many people are paying almost as much for your Blizzard 1260 on ebay but then that's a deal according to you because it's for a 'real' Amiga right:rolleyes:

[kickstart]

this isnt a good example, you cant use second hand market like a excuse, second hand market have crazy prices sometimes, if crazy people pay (900eur???) for a blizzard 1260 its still sad... and please dont write "real".

[kickstart]

A question for u OS4 die hards, when is too much too much?

1000 dollar motherboard 1 GHz motherboard, 2000 dollar 2 GHz motherboard, would you pay 3000 dollars for a 3 GHz mobo?

Just imagine if some day another amiga brand squezeer make a terahertz "amiga" heh