SAM 460 poor performance, high price

[redrumloa]

I disagree, there are enough user group meeting or Amiga shows you can go and visit to test the systems, ask the question and get advice etc, all for free

Please tell me what Amiga show or user group I may attend to see a modern OS4 box less than 1,800 miles from my house? I am in Fort Lauderdale, FL (USA).
 
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BTW, please don't say AmiWest as it would be 3,100 miles away.

[itix]

Actually Eyetech where doing ok with sales of the Amigaone it was more their hardware problems and suppliers that was their undoing.

They were? Didnt Alan Redhouse say they were making loss with their AmigaOne? Even when sold at some $1000 price. I have never seen proof Eyetech was doing ok.

Plus Acube must of sold enough Sam board to warrant developing 440 flex and 460 systems.

Did OS4 sales warrant new systems or was it sales to Linux market?

Plus Hyperion and A-eon I sure must know the Os4 users number must think their is enough demand for a new high end system.

Apart from existing OS4 users there isnt demand... In Finland there apparently isnt any market for this. In other countries it seems it is existing OS4 users, same for X1K beta testers I have met or seen.

Plus if they get the AmigaONE X1000 out and sell the planned first batch of 250 machine they are building (im sure I read that some where) at let say £2,000 that's £500,000.00 a half a million pound turn over, I would not consider that a fail. I think that number of units is just about doable judging by the amount of interest in it. what can I say other than....i believe.

If they could even get beta tester boards out. It is terribly late already and I dont expect machines arrive until end of 2011.

[itix]

i define all OS'es that can't follow the 2011 standards as crap. You know it and i know it that we're both using crap that would not had a chance even 10 years ago.

Saying Amiga is crap is weird argument to spend thousands of dollars.

[Piru]

Plus if they get the AmigaONE X1000 out and sell the planned first batch of 250 machine they are building (im sure I read that some where) at let say £2,000 that's £500,000.00 a half a million pound turn over, I would not consider that a fail. I think that number of units is just about doable judging by the amount of interest in it. what can I say other than....i believe.

By June 2010 they were already £167,785.00 down. With no money coming in for another 6 months hasn't improved the situation. I very much doubt 250 units at price £2,000 will cover it.

As Trevor put it:

Personally I would be happy if we just recovered our original investment but, in reality we will also need to generate some profit in order to re-invest in new hardware development and possibly attract additional funding if we are to see the AmigaOne product line continue to flourish in the future. (source)

Currently it doesn't look very good I'm afraid. More delays means more costs, and the ROI keeps dropping. If it goes low (or even to loss) you can pretty much say goodbye to any future AmigaOne. Since the market for the products is limited to hundreds at best it may well be that the project could fail completely. You could fight this by upping the end product price but I believe there is a limit somewhere. Certainly going over say £2,500.00 would be too much already.

We will know the result by the end of 2011 I believe.

[AmigaNG]

Please tell me what Amiga show or user group I may attend to see a modern OS4 box less than 1,800 miles from my house? I am in Fort Lauderdale, FL (USA).
 
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BTW, please don't say AmiWest as it would be 3,100 miles away.

Acording to http://map.minimig.net/?filter=sam
There are two user Xilinder, Jim McKenzie in florida, why not try and track them down and just ask if you can try, I never said this is the perfect way of doing it. Plus you can also buy it and sell it on if its not for you, unlike most hardware, AMiga hardware does keep its value quite well, you most likely won't lose more than £100 to see if you like it. Which is most likely less that it would cost you get your hand on a second hand mac to try MorphOS out on.

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Acually yerh forgot about how cheap emacs and ppc mac do go for now. But  still you could get a second hand AmigaOne or Sam to try out and sell  it on with out losing anything or even if you get lucky make a profit!       I just  saying worst case scenario I would of thought would be maybe a £100 lost.

[tone007]

Which is most likely less that it would cost you get your hand on a second hand mac to try MorphOS out on.

Don't tell that to redrumloa, he's already proven you wrong!

[JC]

I don't think you can get a pegasos any longer.

[-BobW-]

Exactly so. It still must suck to be OS4 fan though, the performance/price ratio leaves much to be desired.
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If I didn't already own an AmigaOne I would be out in the cold.  The hardware choices just suck.  Whats even worse is the fact that I'm stuck with a MicroA1 with little to no options for an upgrade.  At the same time OS 4.1's video memory usage has sky rocketed.  As a Micro user I'm being left behind.

I recently got a PowerMac 1.4 Ghz with MorphOS and I'm incredibly happy.  Best Amiga like experience yet.  It actually got me interested in the hobby again.

[AmigaNG]

Don't tell that to redrumloa, he's already proven you wrong!

Acually yerh forgot about how cheap emacs and ppc mac do go for now. But still you could get a second hand AmigaOne or Sam to try out and sell it on with out losing anything or even if you get lucky make a profit!Just  saying worst case scenario I would of thought would be maybe a £100 lost.

[redrumloa]

Acording to http://map.minimig.net/?filter=sam
There are two user Xilinder, Jim McKenzie in florida, why not try and track them down and just ask if you can try, I never said this is the perfect way of doing it. Plus you can also buy it and sell it on if its not for you, unlike most hardware, AMiga hardware does keep its value quite well, you most likely won't lose more than £100 to see if you like it. Which is most likely less that it would cost you get your hand on a second hand mac to try MorphOS out on.

 
2 Individual users in central Florida? It would be too weird to ask someone I don't know to come into their house to try their OS4 box. Okeechobee, FL would still be a 220 mile round trip. With gas prices where they are, a $30 dollar eMac is still cheaper even if I imposed on these indiviudal owners and they agreed. $30 is about what I paid for my 1.25Ghz eMac, no shipping costs. They are plentiful down here.

[tone007]

How about a nice deal on a G3 AmigaOne SE in a Commodore Gaming midtower case, red?

[AmigaNG]

By June 2010 they were already £167,785.00 down. With no money coming in for another 6 months hasn't improved the situation. I very much doubt 250 units at price £2,000 will cover it.

Ok well lets say total development cost is £200,000. Then they need to make £800 profit on each machine sold if they only sell 250. So if the cost of making the machine doesn't go over £1,200 they can do it, ok I know that's a bit of a stretch, as the beta boards cost that much, but who to say they are not making a bit of profit on them? Adding the extas like the case, drives etc and building it would cost no more than £300 I would off thought, so lets say £1,500 is the total cost of each X1000 so they make £500 on each system at £2,000 so they would need to sell 400 machines to break even. (well their are around 2,000+ OS4 users? + Xmos users + linux PPC fans) so maybe they could still sell that many at that price.

I suppose then adding tax and shipping the £2,000 price point is looking very unlikely but I'm sure they have someone better than me working out the money side, I just hope they can get it to around that price as I dont think it will be as successful as they hope if it much more than that, I think it  would be a shame for not just AmigaOS4 but for all users.

[redrumloa]

How about a nice deal on a G3 AmigaOne SE in a Commodore Gaming midtower case, red?

Umm, no:roflmao:

[itix]

so lets say £1,500 is the total cost of each X1000 so they make £500 on each system at £2,000 so they would need to sell 400 machines to break even. (well their are around 2,000+ OS4 users? + Xmos users + linux PPC fans) so maybe they could still sell that many at that price.

Dont count on Linux. Genesi tried that only to find out Linux PPC users do not exist. Linux PPC is (was) mostly ran as an alternative OS on Macs or Amigas (A1, Peg, APUS).

[Iggy]

I don't think you can get a pegasos any longer.

Used Pegasos are fairly common and not that expensive. While the fastest Powermacs outperform them under MporphOS, Pegs can run OS4. In fact, I'd be willing to bet a 1 Ghz Pegasos is probably the highest performing OS4 platform currently available.
It would be a close call between the Pegasos and the SAM460EX and you can buy a Peg cheaper.

[Iggy]

How about a nice deal on a G3 AmigaOne SE in a Commodore Gaming midtower case, red?

How nice?
PM me.