SAM 460 poor performance, high price

[fishy_fiz]

Apart from blue tooth and the specs being too low you've just described AROS on x86  

[jj]

Arm seems to be going from strength strength.  This is what rumoured to be in new Sony PSP2 in 4 core version.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A9_MPCore
 
I would see ARM as maybe being the future for both camps

[AmigaNG]

Its funny moaning about the high prices, their be a lot of people out side of the Amiga community that would say paying 111Euro for an out dated limited AmigaOS inspire OS such as MorphOS for outdated mac hardware is madness. Its all a matter of perspective and what you want/enjoy. Hell Linux users must think everyones mad paying for anything!
 

 Out of the next gen systems I have used, I've enjoyed AmigaOS4 the most, so I plan to support it, either getting a Sam460 or if I can afford it an AmigaONE X1000, no one is forcing me to buy these products it be nice if they would be available cheaper but they are not (weather they can be or not is another debate), they simple not, I have accepted that and still going to invest in something I hopefully enjoy, I know a lot of my friends and family think I'm mad, but its simple what I enjoy.
 

 PS: No one mentioned the second hand market, you can find a few AmigaONE and Sam system their now for around £600 and the price is only likely to come down more as we get more and better  hardware so I do think /would like to think some users go that root to just try out the OS.

[Piru]

their be a lot of people out side of the Amiga community that would say paying 111Euro for an out dated limited AmigaOS inspire OS such as MorphOS for outdated mac hardware is madness.

Most certainly. I have friends (/me waves at #amigafin ppl) who think it's pure lunacy. They do however considered it even more ridiculous to spend almost a 1000 € on a custom built HW that is even slower than most of those old Macs.

Its all a matter of perspective and what you want/enjoy.

Exactly so. It still must suck to be OS4 fan though, the performance/price ratio leaves much to be desired.

PS: No one mentioned the second hand market, you can find a few AmigaONE and Sam system their now for around £600 and the price is only likely to come down more as we get more and better  hardware so I do think /would like to think some users go that root to just try out the OS.

You bring up a good point. Here's another reason why supporting "old" Macs is a good thing: You can download MorphOS ISO image for free and try it on supported system. You're likely to find PowerPC Macs everywhere, maybe a family member or a friend has one. Just pop in the CD-R and boot the system and you're running MorphOS live CD.

OS4 users are not that lucky. There's no easy way to test OS4 before you buy.

[jj]

Yes we have mentioned second hand market
 
thats how i got my mac mini 1.5ghz, 64mb gpu  for £150

[zylesea]

Its funny moaning about the high prices, their be a lot of people out side of the Amiga community that would say paying 111Euro for an out dated limited AmigaOS inspire OS such as MorphOS for outdated mac hardware is madness. Its all a matter of perspective and what you want/enjoy. Hell Linux users must think everyones mad paying for anything!
 

Paying money isn't an issue generally and everybody has/his her own standards what is acceptable. And for me I think a niche solution is aceptable for 3 -5 times the price of the standard solution.

Hence MorphOS (111.11 EUR vs. 74 EUR for Win7 OEM): check!
Pegasos 1 back in 2002 (480 EUR for g3/600 vs. ~ 180 EUR for AMD Duron/800 + MSI µATX board + Cooler): check!
Efika 5200B (99 EUR vs. something you get for 33 EUR): check!
Sam460 (895 EUR vs. Intel Atomboard for 59 EUR): fail!
X1000 (~2000 EUR vs. Amd Athlon Ii X2 245 - 2 X 2.9ghz | 2gb for 169 EUR): fail!

So it s not the actual ammount of money, but rather about comparability. And I think the factor 3-5 times is rather friendly enough to cater for fond feelings, hobby, niche, #?. But of course these are only my standards.

For 300 I'd consider buying a Sam460, for 850 I'd consider an X1000 (I like the PA6T) - these are the factor 5 prices of the comparable standard products.

[Khephren]

The future was bleak after the collapse.  Having a lot of different people in a lot of different camps is good!:

Can't say I agree with you there. We'd have more consistent and cheaper hardware, and probably more software, if we we had not been split into seperate camps.

[Jakodemus]

How many years have HyperionOS4.x users been waiting for USB2.0 support? I'm guessing forever, but I know that now someone will come and say "USB2.0 is already in betatesting." or "It will be released soon." Well they have been saying that since the beta of AOS4.0 was released.

[AmigaNG]

Here's another reason why supporting "old" Macs is a good thing: You can download MorphOS ISO image for free and try it on supported system. You're likely to find PowerPC Macs everywhere, maybe a family member or a friend has one. Just pop in the CD-R and boot the system and you're running MorphOS live CD.

OS4 users are not that lucky. There's no easy way to test OS4 before you buy.

I disagree, there are enough user group meeting or Amiga shows you can go and visit to test the systems, ask the question and get advice etc, all for free (minus the travel time/cost)  that how I got to the decision that OS4 was more for me, I do admit cheap and easily available hardware  is always going to be better (that why I also like Aros, plus I dont have to buy anything!). But I think going that root would be a mistake at least at the moment, they might as give it try and see if there is a market big enough and willing enough to invest more money for custom made hardware, I think if its not and the AmigaONE project fails then they should go the Mac root as quick as possible.

[smf]

Define crappy.
Whom do you actually have in mind who's making a crappy OS?

i define all OS'es that can't follow the 2011 standards as crap. You know it and i know it that we're both using crap that would not had a chance even 10 years ago.

[AmigaNG]

MorphOS (111.11 EUR vs. 74 EUR for Win7 OEM): check!

Or you could say

MorphOS (111.11 EUR vs. Free for Ubuntu Linux) thats a 111 times markup value. :eek:

But like you and I have said we all have our own thoughts on how much we should spend on what is after all a hobby.

[nicholas]

I disagree, there are enough user group meeting or Amiga shows you can go and visit to test the systems, ask the question and get advice etc, all for free (minus the travel time/cost)  that how I got to the decision that OS4 was more for me, I do admit cheap and easily available hardware  is always going to be better (that why I also like Aros, plus I dont have to buy anything!). But I think going that root would be a mistake at least at the moment, they might as give it try and see if there is a market big enough and willing enough to invest more money for custom made hardware, I think if its not and the AmigaONE project fails then they should go the Mac root as quick as possible.

It failed eight years ago.

[AmigaNG]

It failed eight years ago.

Actually Eyetech where doing ok with sales of the Amigaone it was more their hardware problems and suppliers that was their undoing. Plus Acube must of sold enough Sam board to warrant developing 440 flex and 460 systems.

Plus Hyperion and A-eon I sure must know the Os4 users number must think their is enough demand for a new high end system.

Plus if they get the AmigaONE X1000 out and sell the planned first batch of 250 machine they are building (im sure I read that some where) at let say £2,000 that's £500,000.00 a half a million pound turn over, I would not consider that a fail. I think that number of units is just about doable judging by the amount of interest in it. what can I say other than....i believe.

[zylesea]

i define all OS'es that can't follow the 2011 standards as crap. You know it and i know it that we're both using crap that would not had a chance even 10 years ago.

That is definitely not my definition of crap. My definiton for crap is more like bad by design and/or realization for the intended/advertized purpose.
I don't see the amigaish OSes see fullilling this standard (at least not the majority).
What you define as crap, I'd define as non-standard. And that is a big difference.
For example:
Crap was (spare) bicyle I once had: It was slow, it was heavy, the tyres had no duty and the lock failed miserably as did the gear shift. Though I got it for free and was intended as 3rd spare bicycle to go to partys with,  it not even fullfilled my lowest expectaions I had on it. When it was stolen I really felt sorry *for the thief*. The high roll-resistance, failing gear shift, soft tyres were not advertised. It wasn't a working solution, not for the lowest expectation - it was crap. If it was sold as decoration only, then I probably wouldn'tconsidered it as crap.

And MorphOS (that is the only Amigaish one I can *seriously* judge about): It does what I expect from it, it does waht was advertizes. Probably not a solution for everybody, but no crap.

[zylesea]

But like you and I have said we all have our own thoughts on how much we should spend on what is after all a hobby.

This is of course true. But I think debates like this one are good to understand our motives.

[redrumloa]

I disagree, there are enough user group meeting or Amiga shows you can go and visit to test the systems, ask the question and get advice etc, all for free

Please tell me what Amiga show or user group I may attend to see a modern OS4 box less than 1,800 miles from my house? I am in Fort Lauderdale, FL (USA).
 
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BTW, please don't say AmiWest as it would be 3,100 miles away.