SAM 460 poor performance, high price

[zylesea]

Why would i use something that has nothing to do with  my hobby and is MUCH more limited and expensive than the mainstream alternatives?

Dunno - what was you hobby again?
Was it using a computer in the spirit of Commodore Amiga or was it woshipping a name?

[smf]

Dunno - what was you hobby again?
Was it using a computer in the spirit of Commodore Amiga or was it woshipping a name?

using my amigas and keeping the amiga "alive"

[Piru]

@Piru
I was referring to the hardships of creating and bringing to market an Hardware product made for a small niche.

I've said it before and I say it again: It makes no sense at all to try build niche HW like that. The potential market is too small and the product price will be astronomical. Since it is doubtful if the business is profitable it is also possible that the company producing such HW disappears, along with the support/replacement HW.

Going for the mainstream HW (such as Apple) makes much more sense. Prices are lower and there are numerous companies offering hardware repairs, support and parts. Just try to get a replacement parts for an AmigaONE and you see the point.

Small projects can work: Such as an expansion for C64, or some expansion HW for classic amiga. But 900 € project is way too expensive to work on a niche field.

[DAX]

@zylesea
Blue: "name followers!!", Red:"za real thing" ........again?

Come on guys let's just cut the usual Red VS Blue childish discussions.

Mos is a good Amiga experience for those that like the Amiga spirit on any HW that also happen to be cheap and performing (and PPC based, which is a plus IMHO), others prefer the old paradigm of custom HW+AmigaOS and are willing to pay more for it.
No need to start the Nth thread about "Aoh! Come to me! I am better! Cheaper!" (and other crying forms).

[Piru]

Of course smf is allowed to like only the officially branded products. I bet C=USA will have a happy customer there

Seriously speaking for any business purposes the "amiga" brand has already been diluted beyond repair. The only value it might have is the association of about 20+ years ago and that was gaming pretty much. C=USA (however irritating they may be) have understood it and are trying to milk the last drops of value out of the name. Assuming they don't fold before they get something out they might actually pull it off.

The irony of this doesn't escape me.

[DAX]

@Piru

I've said it before and I say it again: It  makes no sense at all to try build niche HW like that. The potential  market is too small and the product price will be astronomical. Since it  is doubtful if the business is profitable it is also possible that the  company producing such HW disappears, along with the support/replacement  HW.

Going for the mainstream HW (such as Apple) makes much more sense.  Prices are lower and there are numerous companies offering hardware  repairs, support and parts. Just try to get a replacement parts for an  AmigaONE and you see the point.

Small projects can work: Such as an expansion for C64, or some expansion  HW for classic amiga. But 900 € project is way too expensive to work on  a niche field.                                                                                                                                                      

Who knows maybe you are right.
But some people think it's cool as they still like the "we have our own HW" feeling, and there is people willing to take the risk and actually do it.


I respect what you said (it makes sense on many extents), please respect the above described group too.

Mos is a cool alternative that needs not such apple to orange comparisons (different paradigms for differently minded folks) in order to deserve attention.
I believe these threads actually hurt its image when started by a developer.

[smf]

Of course smf is allowed to like only the officially branded products. I bet C=USA will have a happy customer there

lol Ofcourse

[Iggy]

@zylesea
Blue: "name followers!!", Red:"za real thing" ........again?

Come on guys let's just cut the usual Red VS Blue childish discussions.

Mos is a good Amiga experience for those that like the Amiga spirit on any HW that also happen to be cheap and performing (and PPC based, which is a plus IMHO), others prefer the old paradigm of custom HW+AmigaOS and are willing to pay more for it.
No need to start the Nth thread about "Aoh! Come to me! I am better! Cheaper!" (and other crying forms).

You forgot the blue butterfly arguments that one, our OS runs better and two, not only is our hardware cheaper its also faster.

[DAX]

You forgot the blue butterfly arguments that one, our OS runs better and two, not only is our hardware cheaper its also faster.

you forgot you don't have your own HW. Some Amigans just don't like it that way. Respect that.

As for "it runs better", I am glad there is fierce competition, it creates motivation

[Iggy]

you forgot you don't have your own HW. Some Amigans just don't like it that way. Respect that.

As for "it runs better", I am glad there is fierce competition, it creates motivation

YOU forgot the Efika and the Pegasos. While out of productiom, they are both MorphOS specific. Further, I don't care as my hardware is inexpensive and easily repaired (and faster).

[Piru]

@Piru
Mos is a cool alternative that needs not such apple to orange comparisons (different paradigms for differently minded folks) in order to deserve attention.)

I believe these threads actually hurt its image when started by a developer.

I beg to differ.

IMHO even sensitive topics should be discussed, as long as the discussion is kept civil. Of course there is no way of pleasing everyone but I believe comparisons such as this make sense. This is what forums are for after all, discussion.

Also, I believe current and potential MorphOS users are mostly practical bunch of people. They're not that much involved in politics of things or imago issues. They've already accepted the fact that different solutions can co-exist and that name is not the only thing that matters. They see that we offer a good product with a reasonable price. IMHO censoring ones opinions to avoid hurting your "image" is a rather bleak view of things. I won't do that.

[DAX]

No longer in production HW and the knowledge that no HW will ever be made again count as having no future, HW wise.
Some care about it, some, like you, does not.

I respect your point of view, please respect those with opposite feelings.
These two way of thinking can happily co-exist. :knuddel:

[Piru]

you forgot you don't have your own HW. Some Amigans just don't like it that way. Respect that.

I respect their opinion, but I don't understand their reasoning behind it. That HW has nothing to do with original Amiga anymore.

It's just something you run your OS and software on. As long as the HW is affordable, reliable and well built quality product what difference does it make who produced it, or which label does it have?

[DAX]

@Piru
I can see you differ, but that has nothing to do with censorship.

I agree, those that chose MOS are practical although not too much otherwise they would stay away from ANY Amiga flavor :lol:

You see Windows7 is cost effective, and receives support for the most recent technology earlier than competition (see support for PCI-E HD, 256Bit vector units, both from Autodesk, or HW tessellation HW just to name a few) I wouldn't walk the "practical" road too much if I was selling an Amiga like OS.

"love" for it, is more like it...

[DAX]

I respect their opinion, but I don't understand their reasoning behind it. That HW has nothing to do with original Amiga anymore.

It's just something you run your OS and software on. As long as the HW is affordable, reliable and well built quality product what difference does it make who produced it, or which label does it have?

Reasoning's might change from people to people, yours above is a good one for many.
Other like the feeling of being as different as it gets, so that need is further satisfied if you develop HW and have your OS run on it.
Degustibus

[Piru]

No longer in production HW and the knowledge that no HW will ever be made again count as having no future, HW wise.

Now you're just making things up.

Nowhere have I said that we will limit ourself to Mac HW forever. It is currently and in the near future the best solution, however.

Some care about it, some, like you, does not.

There's no need to get personal. What I care or don't care is irrelevant, nor can you read my mind. If you really respect my views you don't need to do this.