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C=usa. A peaceful solution?
« on: January 25, 2011, 03:59:50 AM »
My question is if Commodoreusa were to use AROS instead of using a Linux distro for Workbench5 would this change your mind about their product/company?

I guess i'm hinting that maybe if enough people choose AROS we could maybe start an online petition to force them to change it (assuming everyone would buy it). If enough people were to sign it then they will have no choice.

I think maybe this idea may be irrelevant but it's better than simply causing trouble on facebook and being hostile in general towards C=usa.

For my 2 cents i think they are geniune but misguided. I mean, do we really need another AOS4.x themed Ubuntu?
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Re: C=usa. A peaceful solution?
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2011, 04:05:29 AM »
Quote from: Kesa;608815
My question is if Commodoreusa were to use AROS instead of using a Linux distro for Workbench5 would this change your mind about their product/company?

I guess i'm hinting that maybe if enough people choose AROS we could maybe start an online petition to force them to change it (assuming everyone would buy it). If enough people were to sign it then they will have no choice.

I think maybe this idea may be irrelevant but it's better than simply causing trouble on facebook and being hostile in general towards C=usa.

For my 2 cents i think they are geniune but misguided. I mean, do we really need another AOS4.x themed Ubuntu?


Course not...

While AROS is fine for some it's still not a real Amiga product that's going to be of much use to the vast majority of users... ;)

The only ones causing trouble on FaceBook are CUSA themselves and the crap they are posting there, just another free marketing ploy by CUSA... :madashell:

Since when did you become a CUSA fanboy anyway... :(
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Re: C=usa. A peaceful solution?
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2011, 04:28:51 AM »
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Re: C=usa. A peaceful solution?
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2011, 04:29:50 AM »
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My question is if Commodoreusa were to use AROS instead of using a Linux distro for Workbench5 would this change your mind about their product/company?


It's fine to ask that just for gathering opinion.
But don't forget that Hyperion...not once but twice threatened legal action against C=USA if they did such a thing. And Leo (BigBentheAussie) has confirmed his understanding of that threat more than once.

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Re: C=usa. A peaceful solution?
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2011, 04:36:25 AM »
What kind of legal action? I am assuming they wouldn't be releasing Workbench5 unless they were legally permitted to? By legal action i am assuming you are refering to AOS4.x? IMHO i think Hyperion have no more rights over Amiga than anyone else. Hyperion is nothing more than a shell company held together by a legal agreement from Amiga inc that would never hold up in court.
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2011, 04:42:29 AM »
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What kind of legal action? I am assuming they wouldn't be releasing Workbench5 unless they were legally permitted to? By legal action i am assuming you are refering to AOS4.x? IMHO i think Hyperion have no more rights over Amiga than anyone else. Hyperion is nothing more than a shell company held together by a legal agreement from Amiga inc that would never hold up in court.


Post #28

You were talking about using AROS, and that is the gist of the response from HyperionMP. Violation of settlement agreement regarding competition basically.

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Re: C=usa. A peaceful solution?
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2011, 04:52:05 AM »
OK i read that link and still think it's nonsense. How can anyone own opensource? For me AROS is the long term future of Amiga. No legal problems from Amiga Inc or Hyperion to screw it all up! Same goes for Morpthos. If Hyperion are really that arrogant to think they own/control AROS then all i can say is good riddance. Maybe C=usa could simply bypass this and rename their Amiga range Amigos?
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2011, 04:55:45 AM »
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OK i read that link and still think it's nonsense. How can anyone own opensource? For me AROS is the long term future of Amiga. No legal problems from Amiga Inc or Hyperion to screw it all up! Same goes for Morpthos. If Hyperion are really that arrogant to think they own/control AROS then all i can say is good ridence. Maybe C=usa could simply bypass this and rename their Amiga range Amigos?


I won't argue what might happen. I'm merely trying to offer you some exact quotes from principals, so you know what they really said at the time.
In that vein, here is the most recent recap of events from Leo (BigBentheAussie), with reference to AROS and the threat:

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Re: C=usa. A peaceful solution?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2011, 05:14:08 AM »
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I won't argue what might happen. I'm merely trying to offer you some exact quotes from principals, so you know what they really said at the time.
In that vein, here is the most recent recap of events from Leo (BigBentheAussie), with reference to AROS and the threat:

Post #52

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Just had the misfortune to read that post by BigBenTheAussie and without going into detail and breaking it all down (it's way too boring anyway) other than making me just about nod off, it's just more CUSA claptrap... :)
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Re: C=usa. A peaceful solution?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2011, 05:22:22 AM »
I would prefer C=USA to use AROS over Linux on two conditions:

1 - They actually make an investment in AROS through contributing to bounties or hiring developers.

2 - THEY DON'T CALL IT WORKBENCH 5!!! (To me that's the equivalent to sticking up their middle finger at Hyperion, especially because of the "5".)


I might actually be interested in a C=USA product under those conditions, but as it is, I'm ANTI-interested (if there can be such a thing).
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Re: C=usa. A peaceful solution?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2011, 05:29:42 AM »
It's nothing to do with Hyperion having a say in regards to AROS, but rather Amiga Inc. arent able to sell a derivitive of AmigaOS, as per the settlement. This is of course inheritted to anyone they license/sell the Amiga name to.
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Re: C=usa. A peaceful solution?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2011, 05:41:47 AM »
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I would prefer C=USA to use AROS over Linux on two conditions:

1 - They actually make an investment in AROS through contributing to bounties or hiring developers.

2 - THEY DON'T CALL IT WORKBENCH 5!!! (To me that's the equivalent to sticking up their middle finger at Hyperion, especially because of the "5".)


I might actually be interested in a C=USA product under those conditions, but as it is, I'm ANTI-interested (if there can be such a thing).

Right. I think they have just put themselves right into the middle of a war zone. IMHO they have marketed their product range all wrong. Instead of trying to use the Amiga name they should have followed Morphos' philosophy and make a fresh start. They have no legal issues with anyone. The way it should be.

I also think they should use AROS and not Linux. I think they should use Icaros or Broadway distros and name the computer after these. If someone made a Linux computer what name would you prefer? Linux or Ubuntu? I really like the name Ubuntu - it sounds better being named after a distro.

I think they have a good product but they just need to rethink their marketing plan a bit.

@bigbenaussie. You said on Amigaworld.net that it was easier to use linux than Aros. If you modify your marketing plan a bit all the problems you described would go away.
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Re: C=usa. A peaceful solution?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2011, 05:52:31 AM »
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Right. I think they have just put themselves right into the middle of a war zone. IMHO they have marketed their product range all wrong. Instead of trying to use the Amiga name they should have followed Morphos' philosophy and make a fresh start.


Good point. And when they hinted at a missing part in their acquisition of names in September, 2010, even Wolftothemoon (who has posted here) stated:

"Doubt it! Workbench would almost certainly cause problems with Hyperion"

Here's the latest doings concerning Workbench, for those who care:

http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91183272&pty=OPP

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Re: C=usa. A peaceful solution?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2011, 05:59:38 AM »
FYI you can buy pre-installed AROS pc's /right now/ and from people who are already contributing to AROS, and will continue to do so.
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Re: C=usa. A peaceful solution?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2011, 06:05:48 AM »
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FYI you can buy pre-installed AROS pc's /right now/ and from people who are already contributing to AROS, and will continue to do so.
That is a very good point.
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