ARM for the future?

[WolfToTheMoon]

Because the PowerPC was for the last 13 years, the technology that made our hobby - Amiga - interesting.

Amiga Os is a system which, due to Forbid/Permit, messages system, can not work effectively on more than one core.

Thats why, transfer of the operating system to x86, ARM or other crap will not bring major changes in performance.

Performance of one core, the fastest x86 is only 2.9 times better than the G4. x86 is not even three times faster,  only two of something.

We do not intend to sell 13 years of our history, for peanuts.

God forbid one should suggest to remedy some of those faults... :laughing:

[dammy]

Because the PowerPC was for the last 13 years, the technology that made our hobby - Amiga - interesting.

X86 has made - AROS - interesting.

That is why morons like you should understand that people feel sympathy for this technology.

Name calling really justified?  No it's not.

Amiga Os is a system which, due to Forbid/Permit, messages system, can not work effectively on more than one core.

Truism, I think the Hyperion team will find this out with attempting to drag OS4 into AMP.

Thats why, transfer of the operating system to x86, ARM or other crap will not bring major changes in performance.

Then why is AROS flying on x86 then?

Performance of one core, the fastest x86 is only 2.9 times better than the G4. x86 is not even three times faster,  only two of something.

Last CPU comparison chart I saw shows G5 is about equal to a 1.8GHz Athlon.  

We do not intend to sell 13 years of our history, for peanuts.

Who's history?  AROS has been on x86 for what, 15 years now?  AROS is slowly coming to ARM and 68K as well as PPC.  Why aren't the other Amiga-like OSs been ported yet to other arches?

[WolfToTheMoon]

Who's history?  AROS has been on x86 for what, 15 years now?  AROS is slowly coming to ARM and 68K as well as PPC.  Why aren't the other Amiga-like OSs been ported yet to other arches?

I wonder what repercussions will be felt after AROS68K is released in a stable version.

It is obvious most of the current Amiga users and devs are still on the 68K platform and most of the software is there also. AROS68K might just turn out to be far, far more serious competition to AOS4 and MOS then it's x86 version ever was, especially if Natami is released(and I figure, AROS68K will also mean more 68K hardware in the future).

[Iggy]

:roflmao:
 
Exactly how I feel about it, always been a big fan of RISC myself, would love to see a NG Amiga OS on a RISC based system.

PPCs are RISC processors, so there are already two RISC based Amiga NG OS'.

[qwerty40001]

X86 has made - AROS - interesting.

AROS is not Amiga, AROS is untested, not working crap.

Name calling really justified?  No it's not.

Quality and compatybility justified.

AROS is incompatible because it was developed without any testing of existing 68k software.

Truism, I think the Hyperion team will find this out with attempting to drag OS4 into AMP.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Then why is AROS flying on x86 then?

Windows fly on my pc, linux fly on my pc, AROS move slow like a turtle on my pc. This shit is running on one core only, and on my Atlhon X2 64 is as fast as my G4.

Last CPU comparison chart I saw shows G5 is about equal to a 1.8GHz Athlon.  

Like I said.

Who's history?  

Amiga History of course.

AROS has been on x86 for what, 15 years now?  

And how much of that time, this system worked on the Amiga?

Three months?

Blizzard PPC card Cyberstorm PPC we can enjoy for 13 years.

[krashan]

It is obvious most of the current Amiga users and devs are still on the 68K platform and most of the software is there also.

Why is it obvious? It is not so obvious to me at least.

AROS68K might just turn out to be far, far more serious competition to AOS4 and MOS then it's x86 version ever was, especially if Natami is released

Don't think so. Classic Amigas have just not enough computing power to be a serious competition for MorphOS and AmigaOS 4. Natami (if ever released), won't help much.

[TheBilgeRat]

Don't think so. Classic Amigas have just not enough computing power to be a serious competition for MorphOS and AmigaOS 4. Natami (if ever released), won't help much.

I may be wrong, but I think that aros68k will also run on PPC machines, so maybe the OP was referring to this fact (ie, AROS will run on anything from classics to the X1000 to an I7).

[WolfToTheMoon]

I may be wrong, but I think that aros68k will also run on PPC machines, so maybe the OP was referring to this fact (ie, AROS will run on anything from classics to the X1000 to an I7).

AROS PPC runs on Sam440. AFAIK, AROS68K, like it name says, will only run on 68K machines.

[runequester]

Why is it obvious? It is not so obvious to me at least.
 
 
 
Don't think so. Classic Amigas have just not enough computing power to be a serious competition for MorphOS and AmigaOS 4. Natami (if ever released), won't help much.

I dont really think there's any real competition. People who are into this stuff seem to check out multiple options, and people who aren't into amiga, don't care about any of the options.

[dammy]

AROS is not Amiga, AROS is untested, not working crap.

Worked fine for me for the past six or so years.  Funny that.

Quality and compatybility justified.

With UAE integration, compatibility is not a issue anymore.

AROS is incompatible because it was developed without any testing of existing 68k software.

It didn't need to be, it was a OS blazing a new trail in the x86 world.  What it needed was the UAE integration for running AOS games/apps which should have been done years ago.  I guess it's better late then never.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Fair enough.

Windows fly on my pc, linux fly on my pc, AROS move slow like a turtle on my pc. This shit is running on one core only, and on my Atlhon X2 64 is as fast as my G4.

AROS was plenty snappy running on my old Dell Latitude 233MHz laptop.  It was blazingly fast on my old 1.4GHz noname laptop.  I wonder what is h0rked on your box.

Like I said.

Amiga History of course.

 And how much of that time, this system worked on the Amiga?

Three months?

Natively on a Amiga68K machine, probably a bit less.  I will point out that no other Amigaoid OS is running on a stock A1200, except for AROS.  There was a native AROS68K in unmaintained section of the AROS SVN for the last seven plus years.  There was work on it, just never maintained while AROS x86 and AROS PPC went forward in development.

Blizzard PPC card Cyberstorm PPC we can enjoy for 13 years.

Will that same PPC software run on a stock A1200?  I don't think so.  Neither OS4 nor MOS will run on a stock A1200 but AROS will but that doesn't seem to gain any favor from you.

Dammy

[runequester]

Curious:
When you say "stock A1200" do you mean "68K machine with extra ram etc" or "A1200 with 2 megs chip ram" ?

[Iggy]

I'm kind of curious about the opinions of those of you who see AROS68K as significant to legacy hardware.
I can see the utility of AROS68K for the Natami and other powerful re-implementations of the Amiga, but what does it bring to older machine's. What advantages does it have?
And as a PPC user I don't think I have a lot to worry about if you think legacy hardware is going to become competitive with this OS. I'm not sure the Natami will be truly competitive. Sure it would be nice to own one, but I don't see it replacing a more modern computer.

[WolfToTheMoon]

I'm kind of curious about the opinions of those of you who see AROS68K as significant to legacy hardware.

It doesn't bring much to the legacy hardware, but it could bring new software, new features, add stability and possibly enable easier manufacturing of new 68K hardware.

The biggest significance of AROS 68K is that it could improve the experience of using classics and that is still the biggest "market" in the Amiga world. Most devs, most users. Simple as that.

AROS doesn't make much "sense" in the x86 or ARM world. It was fashioned over OS 3.1 and that makes it totally uncompetitive in that markets, except for the Amigans(most of which, again, own 68K machines). But on 68K it could become a new standard and like I said, it' where the biggest market is.

[Golem!dk]

The biggest significance of AROS 68K is that it could improve the experience of using classics and that is still the biggest "market" in the Amiga world. Most devs, most users. Simple as that.

AROS doesn't make much "sense" in the x86 or ARM world. It was fashioned over OS 3.1 and that makes it totally uncompetitive in that markets, except for the Amigans(most of which, again, own 68K machines). But on 68K it could become a new standard and like I said, it' where the biggest market is.

I'm curious about these markets you are refering to.

[WolfToTheMoon]

I'm curious about these markets you are refering to.

Well, it's simple... the biggest user group is still 68K, by far...

And as a PPC user I don't think I have a lot to worry about if you think  legacy hardware is going to become competitive with this OS. I'm not  sure the Natami will be truly competitive. Sure it would be nice to own  one, but I don't see it replacing a more modern computer.    

No, legacy hardware will not be comparable with AROS68K to PPC hardware. Only if Freescale decides to issue new 68K hardware, which is as possible as me winning lottery, or possibly new ColdFire hardware, which may be slightly more possible then me winning lottery(whihc, btw, I don't even play :lol:).

No, ti will not replace a modern computer, but, IMHO, the Amiga today(classics, PPC, x86) is a hobby, if passionate one, but not a replacement for a modern computer.

[fishy_fiz]

Im not going to name anyone, but it's amazing to see how many "amigans" seem to be more or less clueless about the very system they defend. It's also disappointing to see others trash amiga based systems they clearly dont use or know about, but will still happily talk rubbish about.

For a "community" that touts itself as being technoligcally savvy there sure is a large portion that is clueless (even if they like to think otherwise).