Author Topic: Do resellers bother you? (Read 8489 times)

Thorham · « **Reply #29 from previous page:** April 29, 2012, 06:06:00 PM »

Quote from: redrumloa;604880

The Amiga platform is more than 1/4 century old, it is an antique hobby for collectors.

No, of course it's not. First: Amigas are modern computers from early in the modern computer era. Second: Many people who have Amigas aren't collectors. People use the systems to play games, for example. Some people use them as their main machines.

The machines from the '80s and '90s aren't antiques at all, and some of those prices are completely ridiculous.

desiv · « **Reply #30 on:** April 29, 2012, 06:13:09 PM »

While the sales bother me...
It's not the sellers...
If they can sell them for those prices, that's the market..

But it drives me crazy that people PAY those prices! :-)
I'm thinking these are the people who answer SPAM e-mails maybe?

As for an "antique?"
I figure if I was alive when they made it, it's not an antique..
I'm old, but I'm not THAT old...

Some of these things may be collectible, but not antiques..
IMHO

Heck, I just (in the last year or so) bought a "new" Accelerator and an MP3 player for my Amiga 1200...
There's nothing "historical" about those...

That's all for current fun...

Personally, I've sold several Amiga items for less than I could have.
I bought a RAM card a bit ago. Had it for about 8 months, and the ACA came out.
So I sold it to a guy who was just getting into his Amiga, but couldn't afford an Accel/RAM card. I sold it for less than I paid and less than I could have got for it..
I'd had fun with it, and it was going for a good cause...
But, I don't expect everyone to do that...
And I don't get mad when people don't.

To each his own...

desiv

motrucker · « **Reply #31 on:** April 29, 2012, 07:49:12 PM »

Not in the least. This is reality guys. No puts a gun to your head to buy a bad deal... (usually)...

J-Golden · « **Reply #32 on:** April 29, 2012, 08:50:00 PM »

The only thing that gets me are the, "WILL DESTROY IF YOU DON'T BUY!!!" methods. That is just plain bad.

It is almost like the a fore mentioned "gun to your head" comment in that it pulls at collectors heartstrings to make them want to "save" the item from destruction, even at ridiculous prices.:mad:

That's why I like services such as Amibay and selling/buying here on A.ORG because it is less likely to be a individual taking advantage of hard to get items and more of a real user who knows what he is dealing with...

Jose · « **Reply #33 on:** April 29, 2012, 10:26:05 PM »

"Is this something that bothers you?"
Yes, very much, but at the same time no. It really depends (see bellow...)

" Does it make a difference to you if you are selling or giving stuff to someone, whether they are a user, a collector or a reseller?"
This is where things must be clarified, I mean, nothings wrong with someone wanting to sell something that they got legitimately. If someone asks for something for personall use like: " allways wanted one of these" etc... it's an outright con to go out and sell it right away for 10 times the price as some people do. That's the only one situation that really pisses me off and it doesn't matter if it's reality like with other 2nd hand markets or not, it's just downright wrong. A good comparison is if you get a house for a nice price from a friend cause you can't afford it at normal market prices or just ask the favor from him, and then sell it for 5 times the price! Wouldn't you be pissed with that guy ?

"How do you go about buying amiga stuff?"
Honestly ? I search both eBay and Amibay for past auctions / listings to see how much they go for. Then, if I don't need the item (very common with Amiga things) I wait a few months, checking now and then, till I manage a good deal. If after a few months I don't get it I either give up or buy it for the "normal" price.

By the way, my understanding is there have been very good bargains on Amibay now and then but, from my limited experience there, the site's policies make it look like it's supposed to be kind of a favor among Amigans that prefer to sell it to another user rather than a speculator. I think that's fair and it's great there is such a site, it's also your choice to use it or not. You can also try to sell there for a very high price if you want to and many do try, no problem at all..

Darrin · « **Reply #34 on:** April 29, 2012, 10:42:14 PM »

I just laugh at sellers like these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-PET-2001-8-system-works-great-/320885018281?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab63ccea9
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Commodore-Pet-4016-Personal-Computer-Upgrades-to-32K-Works-/190630382850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6274cd02
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Commodore-Pet-4016-Personal-Computer-Upgrades-to-32K-Works-/190630382850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6274cd02
who try and sell old PETs for between $750 and $1500 while I bought an 8032 off eBay a few weeks ago in immaculate condition for $150

Then there's this guy who has a PET floppy drive, doesn't know for sure if it works or not, has no cable and wants $260:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-PET-8050-Dual-Disk-Drive-RARE-/180780842972?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1760bfdc

Those ads have been up for months. You would think that it might have sunk in that nobody is buying them, plus other people are selling the same things for a 10th of the price.

My last eBay purchase is waiting for me at the house. I bought a C128D. I'm on a business trip, but my brother unboxed it and said that it looks brand new. It also came with a bundle of carts and disks.

Meanwhile this guy is trying to sell one for $2560 (he just dropped his price from $3200):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-COMMODORE-128D-vintage-computer-and-keyboard-RARE-/260973919535?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc341fd2f
and this guy wants $1000:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-128D-2-joysticks-keyboard-manuals-much-more-/330723515545?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d00a85c99

magnetic · « **Reply #35 on:** April 30, 2012, 01:05:12 AM »

Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;604641

What bothers me is the people who have like 20 Amiga's, thus leaving none left for the rest of us, LOL. ;-p

This imo is one of the worst problems in the classic community. HOARDERS. They dont even use half the stuff. They just own it to say they have it. Then they go on their pc with UAE. So lame. So damn lame. Just look at some people sigs with 2 a4000t, 2 cdtv, 3 cd32 that kind of crap. Meanwhile, there are guys returning to the scene that cant get fun and rare hw.

darkage · « **Reply #36 on:** April 30, 2012, 02:12:55 AM »

Quote from: Darrin;691101

I just laugh at sellers like these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-PET-2001-8-system-works-great-/320885018281?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab63ccea9
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Commodore-Pet-4016-Personal-Computer-Upgrades-to-32K-Works-/190630382850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6274cd02
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Commodore-Pet-4016-Personal-Computer-Upgrades-to-32K-Works-/190630382850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6274cd02
who try and sell old PETs for between $750 and $1500 while I bought an 8032 off eBay a few weeks ago in immaculate condition for $150
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LOL! At least they have nice stickers on them. The stickers look brand new!

Pretty expensive stickers in those cases?

CritAnime · « **Reply #37 on:** April 30, 2012, 02:19:27 AM »

this is something thats not confined to just the Amiga. Pretty much all retro gaming markets have people buying cheap to try and sell off as "super rare, extra vintage, hard to come by" items. Just Amiga stuff tends to be sold for crazier prices

Megamig · « **Reply #38 on:** April 30, 2012, 02:30:07 AM »

Amigans should accept so home truths

1. Just like any marketplace supply vs demand. If some fool is willing to pay a high price for a piece of Amiga hardware/software then you cannot blame the sellers for making a buck.

2. A fair share of Amiga users are cheap. Take the minority of users complaining in the early 90s that their 512k 1.3KS 1980s Amiga 500 was unable to play the latest AGA games. If you want cheap grab some early pentium PC from your local tip.

3. Stay off eBay. Some of my best Amiga bargains have not been on eBay. Try alternative means such as least popular online classifieds, second hand stores or garage sales.

4. Accept that fact that most Amiga users do have double standards. It is ok for us to sell our unloved hardware for a premium but yet we expect to buy it on the cheap.

darkage · « **Reply #39 on:** April 30, 2012, 02:38:33 AM »

Quote from: CritAnime;691135

this is something thats not confined to just the Amiga. Pretty much all retro gaming markets have people buying cheap to try and sell off as "super rare, extra vintage, hard to come by" items. Just Amiga stuff tends to be sold for crazier prices

I think it also depends on how famous the brand is or console model is.. You can buy pretty cheap Atari / Nintendo consoles... but of course Commdore Amiga just has that awe surrounding just the name of the brand.

Vlabguy1 · « **Reply #40 on:** April 30, 2012, 03:39:46 PM »

Doesn't bother me at all. If the seller is asking an unrealistic price then it won't sell that is his or her problem. When I sell Amiga items it is always at a very reasonable price. If I auction something off then always a no reserve.. and low bid start. There are fair sellers out there just looking to cover any said costs for the sake of not pitching the stuff in the bin.

Rich

desiv · « **Reply #41 on:** April 30, 2012, 04:04:41 PM »

Quote from: Vlabguy1;691161

Doesn't bother me at all. If the seller is asking an unrealistic price then it won't sell that is his or her problem.

But that's the problem. Sometimes it does sell..
Someone will pop in, with disposable cash and no research, and pay the crazy price..

And while that's good for the seller, for weeks after that, everyone else thinks that that item (or anything related to it) is actually worth that, and prices go crazy!!!! :pissed:

I remember a decent Apple II setup was selling, and it had a game in a plastic baggie with it.. Hmmm... Yep, it was Akalabeth..
So the system sold for CRAZY (but realistic Akalabeth) money.. No biggie..
But, for weeks, all (Ok, not ALL, but for the purpose of this story, it is) Apple II systems were being listed with crazy prices...

That said, that's the thing about e-bay. But you're also likely to get something for less than it's worth there... (You just have to be watching when they are posted and hope for BINs) Or, you can get lucky when people misspell / mislist the items...

So, in the long run, it's all good..

But if it's something I want, that is going for more than I want to pay (which is likely, as I'm a cheap bas....), then it bothers me..

desiv

Vlabguy1 · « **Reply #42 on:** April 30, 2012, 04:16:16 PM »

Quote from: desiv;691165

But that's the problem. Sometimes it does sell..
Someone will pop in, with disposable cash and no research, and pay the crazy price..

So, in the long run, it's all good..

But if it's something I want, that is going for more than I want to pay (which is likely, as I'm a cheap bas....), then it bothers me..

desiv

Well there will always be someone out there with more disposable money, lol. I wish I did I think I would have much more Amiga stuff than I do now

. If there is something you want but ends up selling at a crazy price then just wait another one will come around. I mean what item would be so critical that you "need" it now?? Baring a complete system blowup/meltdown that is..

The Eagle Tower I had went to the new owner at the cost of a Starbucks gift card

. Looking back at my Ebay auctions ..I think every item went for a very realistic price. Some I thought would do better, but tis the risk of a no reserve auction. I'm happy
the Amiga stuff would be used vs sitting around doing nothing.

Rich
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Digiman · « **Reply #43 on:** April 30, 2012, 04:33:15 PM »

As long as people don't get stuff free/cheap on forums for personal use then put it up on ebay for 400% markup it's fine.

Vlabguy1 · « **Reply #44 on:** April 30, 2012, 04:57:55 PM »

Quote from: Digiman;691168

As long as people don't get stuff free/cheap on forums for personal use then put it up on ebay for 400% markup it's fine.

True..

I have gotten a lot of Amiga stuff for free and have listed a few on Ebay. I let the bidders determine final price...and nothing has gone to sky high levels..

Rich.