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Offline FrankoTopic starter

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Troubles With Large HDs...
« on: January 07, 2011, 11:36:54 AM »
Seems from recent threads that a lot of folk are having trouble setting up HDs larger than 4GB. Most seem to be having trouble in getting an HD formatted correctly setting up partition sizes max transfer etc... :(

As I've never had a problem myself setting up a large HD, and as it's quite difficult to try and explain to someone over the net or via email just how to go about this task, I have been thinking of putting together some sort of floppy disk to try and make this task easier for those having problems... :)

This would however only apply to those using hardware like the 4xEIDE or FastATA buffered interface boards from Elbox for the A1200 and hopefully the built in IDE interface on the Amiga motherboard... :)

Please don't ask me about SCSI drives or CF Drives though as I don't use them or have the equipment to test them on I only use IDE/Atapi drives. Also I only use the standard Amiga file systems IE: FastFileSystem (FFS) and SmartFileSystem (SFS).

So before I go about putting in the time and effort to create such an install/format disk, I was just wondering if there are enough folk out there experiencing problems setting up large HDs for me to put the effort in with this project or indeed if you think it would something useful and worthwhile for us Amiga users... :)

Anyone willing to help on this or have some good ideas about this themselves would be greatly appreciated in helping with this project... :)

Cheers :drink:

Franko
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Re: Troubles With Large HDs...
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2011, 11:56:34 AM »
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Re: Troubles With Large HDs...
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2011, 12:07:55 PM »
If you really want to help me you can tell me how to fix my friggin' front gate. It won't bloody close!  :madashell:

Will one of you floppies fix it or should i use a sledgehammer? I'm completely lost... :confused:
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Re: Troubles With Large HDs...
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2011, 12:17:26 PM »
The only time I had a problem with a HD > 4GB was down to an OS3.9 rom update being replaced with one from 3.5 (as indicated by the filesystem resource version) which was readily fixed. Not sure what happened there but I had been tinkering and may have overwritten it, thus a clear case of PEBCAK.

However, I think that it might be handy for people that are returning to the scene after years away, or people that are new to it all. My first suggestion would be to make a downloadable archive that can be extracted to a floppy and if there is enough demand for it then go that way.

Incidentally, if you aren't using SCSI on your Blizzard (assuming it has it) then you are a very silly person. Like me ;) 10MB/s DMA-based disk transfer is nice to have...
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Re: Troubles With Large HDs...
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2011, 12:32:27 PM »
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The only time I had a problem with a HD > 4GB was down to an OS3.9 rom update being replaced with one from 3.5 (as indicated by the filesystem resource version) which was readily fixed. Not sure what happened there but I had been tinkering and may have overwritten it, thus a clear case of PEBCAK.

However, I think that it might be handy for people that are returning to the scene after years away, or people that are new to it all. My first suggestion would be to make a downloadable archive that can be extracted to a floppy and if there is enough demand for it then go that way.

Incidentally, if you aren't using SCSI on your Blizzard (assuming it has it) then you are a very silly person. Like me ;) 10MB/s DMA-based disk transfer is nice to have...


I was thinking along the lines of putting together an ADF file for folk to download so they could create a floppy that would allow them to install/format an HD from scratch...:)

Course my BLizzard has SCSI but IDE is cheaper and fast enough to do the job. Also SCSI drives as far as I can tell are no longer manufactured, ever tried buying a brand new one lately... :(

Apart from finding somewhere that still has a stock of SCSI drives the prices they charge are ridiculous compared to IDE. Even IDE drives are being phased out of production in favour of SATA as I was informed recently in a phone converation with SeaGate in America... :(
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Re: Troubles With Large HDs...
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2011, 12:52:13 PM »
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Course my BLizzard has SCSI but IDE is cheaper and fast enough to do the job. Also SCSI drives as far as I can tell are no longer manufactured, ever tried buying a brand new one lately... :(


SCSI is still available. However, the route I intended to take (but never got around to it) was to use an SCSI <-> IDE adapter (or today, a SCSI <-> SATA). They are pretty expensive, but one of those plus a large IDE drive will cost less than the equivalent large SCSI drive ;)

The Blizzard SCSI interface will still be the rate limiting link in the chain, so you should be able to get it running at full tilt - just without the CPU load :)
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Re: Troubles With Large HDs...
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2011, 01:16:14 PM »
Good idea, can we have a tutorial how to put ADFs on to real disks using a basic little Amiga 1000/1200 ;)
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Re: Troubles With Large HDs...
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2011, 03:23:31 PM »
i use ADF Blitzer to put adf from my pc (copied onto a cd) to my Amiga. And it work great even have it as a button in D Opus.
Otherwise i extract it (the adf) from my Win 7 system into my Special Amiga Cd i make. I have set up my Win 7 to be able to view and copy what is inside adf files (as long as its a WB disk).
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Re: Troubles With Large HDs...
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2011, 03:27:18 PM »
Oh yeah back on topic! yes a disk would be very nice! :D
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Re: Troubles With Large HDs...
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2011, 03:43:37 PM »
Explained it to too many people in my life. Now I just don't bother. Read all the postings by Thomas here and on eab and just do it.. It's not rocket science.
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Re: Troubles With Large HDs...
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2011, 05:52:25 PM »
I can use all the help I can get :-) Both of mine show the full drive size in HDtoolbox, but any partitions that I create past the 4 gig mark don't show up after I create them. I may try manually entering partition information this weekend, as per the information I saw in another thread this week.
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Re: Troubles With Large HDs...
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2011, 07:50:14 PM »
I think it would be helpful to a lot of people Franko :) The largest HDD I've ever used in and Amiga myself is 9GB but it is on my 'To do' list to use bigger ones. So could my floppy also cover putting a 200GB HDD in an A4000.  :drink:

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Sorry mate I'm probably asking for a bit too much there, so please disregard it :lol:
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