FPGA Replay Board

[freqmax]

No. AROS 68k requires an '020 or better at this point.

Incorrect. AROS m68k is designed to run on all M68000 architectures, from A1000 to A4000, limited only by available RAM (you needs at least 2M of CHIP plus 1M of anything else to boot at present).

If it doesn't boot on your rig (that has the RAM), it's a bug.

So the rumor that the requirement is 68020 or better is false.

Now someone actually tried instead of assuming it doesn't work?

[Darrin]

So the rumor that the requirement is 68020 or better is false.

Now someone actually tried instead of assuming it doesn't work?

I have to ask though, if your running a 680x0 machine then what advantage does AROS give you over Amikit or ClassicWorkbench installation of a "real" workbench?

[Hattig]

I have to ask though, if your running a 680x0 machine then what advantage does AROS give you over Amikit or ClassicWorkbench installation of a "real" workbench?

If you have a Minimig and no legal copy of Kickstart / Workbench to use with it?

[kolla]

I have to ask though, if your running a 680x0 machine then what advantage does AROS give you over Amikit or ClassicWorkbench installation of a "real" workbench?

At this point... what kind of stupid question is that?

[Iggy]

At this point... what kind of stupid question is that?

In defense of Darrin, that is in no way a stupid question. Why trade a know product for a product that is likely to be slower and less reliable (at least initially)/

[SamuraiCrow]

@freqmax

EZrec is one of the contributing programmers to the AROS 68k project.  I based my argument on some of the older postings he made to the AROS mailing list.  If he says it will work on a flat 68000, then it can.

[SamuraiCrow]

I have to ask though, if your running a 680x0 machine then what advantage does AROS give you over Amikit or ClassicWorkbench installation of a "real" workbench?

Amikit is running AfaOS.  That stands for AROS for Amigas.  It is a patchwork hybrid between AROS and Amiga's native kickstart image.

The main advantage is that you can legally make your own Kickstart with native drivers for all of the functionality of the Amiga-like machine you are using.  Also, it allows using a more up-to-date version of the GCC compiler since AROS 68k supports the ELF binary format as well as the Amiga HUNK binary format.  Hopefully, this means that the AROS version of Origyn Web Browser will run on RTG-equipped Amigas someday.

[kolla]

In defense of Darrin, that is in no way a stupid question,

Maybe not the first time it was asked, but this one has been asked and answered umpteen times already. And the answer is pretty obvious too. The question is pretty much on the same level as "What is the advantage of using ReactOS over Windows?"

[freqmax]

The advantage with a hardware description source (HDL) together with a c-source of Kickstart and workbench is that you can provide a solution that will boot out of the box.

Insert flashcard, plug in power and video = works.

Original KS and WB can be taken care of at a later time.


It will also be the final *plonk* on McEwen and any possible feature clones.

[psxphill]

So the rumor that the requirement is 68020 or better is false.
 
Now someone actually tried instead of assuming it doesn't work?

020 is for the picasso driver in UAE-E, the OCS/ECS/AGA driver is not recommended as there has not been much effort put into them yet.
 
Then you need 1mb of ram that doesn't disappear after a reboot to store aros in. So if you only have chip ram then you need 2mb of it, so 1mb of it is used for storing aros and the rest is used as chip ram. If you don't have 2mb of chip ram then you need at least 1mb of local fast.
 
When it's complete you'll be able to burn a rom and then it will be alot simpler, except you'll need to figure out how to add 1mb roms.

[jakov]

020 is for the picasso driver in UAE-E, the OCS/ECS/AGA driver is not recommended as there has not been much effort put into them yet.
 
Then you need 1mb of ram that doesn't disappear after a reboot to store aros in. So if you only have chip ram then you need 2mb of it, so 1mb of it is used for storing aros and the rest is used as chip ram. If you don't have 2mb of chip ram then you need at least 1mb of local fast.
 
When it's complete you'll be able to burn a rom and then it will be alot simpler, except you'll need to figure out how to add 1mb roms.

Or don't figure that out just yet. Compress the ROM instead and unpack in RAM at boot. It will make classic Amigas faster too, avoiding the slow ROM chip at runtime except boot.

[espskog]

I have to ask though, if your running a 680x0 machine then what advantage does AROS give you over Amikit or ClassicWorkbench installation of a "real" workbench?

I was also asking myself that very same question. It seems like the biggest selling point is that you can boot it without a valid licensed copy of the original Workbench. However, when that is said, I am 100% sure that absolutely nobody really cares about that. I am pretty sure that everyone here owned/owns a classic Amiga and therefore already have payd the licensing fee to Commodore at one point -- therefore it does not matter if you DL the kickstart/wbdisks from the net at a later point. In my opinion.

I mean -- we're in 2011 now. Nobody makes money off WB anymore. It's a retro thing now. It's for fun.

:afro: :afro: :afro:

[espskog]

If someone makes a AROS 68K Hardfile which works for MiniMig or for Replay boards, can they please post links to where others can download and try ? It'd be nice :-)

//Espen

[psxphill]

It will make classic Amigas faster too, avoiding the slow ROM chip at runtime except boot.

ROM is only slower than RAM if you have an accelerator with onboard RAM, which will generally have a way of caching it itself anyway.
 
If you only have chip RAM then keeping as much code in ROM as you can is going to be faster too.

[vidarh]

I was also asking myself that very same question. It seems like the biggest selling point is that you can boot it without a valid licensed copy of the original Workbench.

For now, that's probably right. Going forwards it means new functionality as AROS gets improved beyond the 3.x level, without an ever growing list of SetFunction() kludges and similar stuff. We're rapidly closing in on parity with 3.x.

And in some cases we're better. E.g. AROS console.device and console handler has a bunch of KingCON: style functionality already, and will get more (I keep using this example, since it's code I've worked on and know - there are tons of other bits and pieces in other parts of AROS too).

Of course, you can use KingCON and all the other fixes and workarounds instead. The fact that most people do is why a "modern" AmigaOS 3.x system is a heap of kludges and patches and commodities and replacements for OS files.  AROS provides a way out of that, and allows us to create a nice clean foundation and improve that directly instead.

[freqmax]

020 is for the picasso driver in UAE-E, the OCS/ECS/AGA driver is not recommended as there has not been much effort put into them yet.

How to enable the Picasso driver in Uae-E ..?

Then you need 1mb of ram that doesn't disappear after a reboot to store aros in. So if you only have chip ram then you need 2mb of it, so 1mb of it is used for storing aros and the rest is used as chip ram. If you don't have 2mb of chip ram then you need at least 1mb of local fast.
 
When it's complete you'll be able to burn a rom and then it will be alot simpler, except you'll need to figure out how to add 1mb roms.

So the extra 1 MB is for AROS storage. Should not be problem with a ROM-EEPROM replacement. And for Minimig/FpgaArcade it's just to replace the existing one